About Black King Bar (BKB) and Blade Mail (BM)

[Cya Vain]

So, Blade Mail does literally state "Returned damage type is the same as it was Received)


Meaning so if i got attack by Physical Attack, the attacker gonna take Physical attack, and iff i use Magical attack type, the attacker take Magical returned damage when i activated Blade Mail,

Black King Bar is to grant spell immunity, but why if the Attacker activating BKB and doing Physical Attack doesn't receive any returned damage from Blade Mail ??

i get if the attacker who activated BKB is using Magical since BKB Grant Spell Immunity,
but i dont get it why they didnt returned damage from Physical type ?

is this a bug ?

[Zagryzaec]

https://dota2.fandom.com/wiki/Witch_Doctor/Changelogs?so=search
Bro, you tripping.

[MVP_lCE™]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

The guy you arguing with (coup) is in my block list, and I don't add people there easily. He is intentionally trolling you. You don't have to explain or prove him anything, it's not constructive.

You may though if you feel like it. Just know that there is no honest misunderstanding there.

Go ahead if you want block me or what. I know you are there to simply accuse me although I am seeking on explanation for newbies there. If you are newbie and not good in explanation compared to others, then you may just shut your mouth and don't disturb people's discussion. I know you are very professional in everything but you are selfish to share knowledge. Any site shared by you, is that the official Dota 2 site by the developer/Steam?

Originally posted by Dominic:

Originally posted by coUp_dE_gRâce 2011:

So, you mean normal attack is spell attacking also? If so, then it means BKB can build immunity to counter high normal attack from enemy hero also?

Blademail is a spell that returns damage. it doesnt reflect it in the exact same way recieved so if you attack someone with blademail, then phys spell damage is returned to you. NOT AN ATTACK. anyway im done responding to you since you cant seem to get it

Physical Spell Damage as said? You are kinder than some people. So, what it means by physical spell damage because when I search in the LEARN menu, there is no such information for the "physical spell damage" but I can find the physical damage or spell immunity info.

FYI, this been said before. If you run the test by using Lina's Laguna Blade and she is level 10, then the BKB can block it. Yes, that's correct as BKB works against by spell blocking the targeting magical Laguna Blade. However, when you turn it to be Pure by when Lina at level 25, then the Laguna Blade can pierce through the spell immunity. It says can pierce through BKB and correct. But you get what I would like to raise here is, the thing THAT WILL CONFUSE the newbies are the details used for the abilities or items. If you want to ask me for the deepest, definitely I can understand. But you know the Blade Mail is saying the "DAMAGE TYPE" where the abilities is using "DAMAGE TYPE" also! Now, you can see I had repeated this again. I just want to remind you to read back what I would like to let you know. I am speaking for the newbies who can't learn or understand much in game because I faced or met them a lot of times.

[MVP_lCE™]

I found a good answer in this discussion for my favourite hero, Phantom Assassin (PA) because she can survive her own critical damage although if enemy or targeted hero is opening Blade Mail because when I test with PA (on BKB) and hit a target who opening Blade Mail, the target can die by the PA's critical & normal attacking while my PA receives no damage. :) Thanks for the discussion.

[Pyro Penguin]

Originally posted by coUp_dE_gRâce 2011:

Originally posted by Pyro Penguin:

because upgraded laguna blade pierces spell immunity, and blademail does not, even though the type of damage is the same, the source of the damage is not

The tool tip of Blade Mail says "Returned damage type is the same as it was received." - I already stated there in my statements. The PURE Laguna Blade can pure damaging the target with statement 2. But how come the returning damaging to Lina who uses BKB cannot be pure damaging back although the tool tip says "returned damage type is the same."?

the damage returned is pure damage, but damage dealt by blademail does not pierce spell immunity regardless of damage type

[MVP_lCE™]

Originally posted by Pyro Penguin:

Originally posted by coUp_dE_gRâce 2011:

The tool tip of Blade Mail says "Returned damage type is the same as it was received." - I already stated there in my statements. The PURE Laguna Blade can pure damaging the target with statement 2. But how come the returning damaging to Lina who uses BKB cannot be pure damaging back although the tool tip says "returned damage type is the same."?

the damage returned is pure damage, but damage dealt by blademail does not pierce spell immunity regardless of damage type

You really no read what did I said above?

1. Blade Mail tool tip says, "Returned damage type is the same as it was received."
2. If the DAMAGE TYPE is the same as received, then? (ability using "Damage Type:" as info)
3. If PURE damage is received, then?
4. Return MAGIC? Return SPELL? Why not return PURE as SAME DAMAGE TYPE?
5. Please run a test for PA (on BKB) also where the PA will hit an enemy with Blade Mail.

Do you want to mean that Blade Mail has alternator to switch the damage type of any ability?

[Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant]

Originally posted by coUp_dE_gRâce 2011:

Originally posted by Pyro Penguin:

the damage returned is pure damage, but damage dealt by blademail does not pierce spell immunity regardless of damage type

You really no read what did I said above?

1. Blade Mail tool tip says, "Returned damage type is the same as it was received."
2. If the DAMAGE TYPE is the same as received, then? (ability using "Damage Type:" as info)
3. If PURE damage is received, then?
4. Return MAGIC? Return SPELL? Why not return PURE as SAME DAMAGE TYPE?
5. Please run a test for PA (on BKB) also where the PA will hit an enemy with Blade Mail.

Do you want to mean that Blade Mail has alternator to switch the damage type of any ability?

All spells possess 3 major components:
1. Damage Type (Physical, Magical, or Pure)
2. Spell-immunity piercing (Yes or No)
3. Purgeability (Any dispel, Strong dispels only, or Undispellable) (only applicable for spells with an effect duration)

Blademail fills these 3 components as follows when it attempts to damage an enemy:
1. Damage Type - the same damage type as the user was affected by
2. Spell Immunity - None, Blademail does not pierce spell immunity, and does not copy the Spell Immunity-piercing status of the spell damage it is reflecting
3. Purgeability - Blademail Return damage is instantaneous and so has no purge component. The Blademail active effect on the user is undisspellable and cannot be purged off.

In short, Blademail ONLY mimics the Damage Type portion of spell damage it is reflecting, neither of the other 2 components.

[Zagryzaec]

Spend no time on him, he deliberately trolling.

There are three type of damage physical, magical and pure and three sourse of dealing this damage - autoattack, spell and hp removal.

Blademail is neither autoattack nor hp removal obviously, so whatever the type returned magical, physical or pure it is a spell damage.

Aside from that interaction of Bkb with blademail was done INTENTIONALLY by developers because they wanted carry could pop bkb and shoot away without care in the world.

That is the answer wer that don't require any further examination.