Normal matches are trash, we need ranked turbo

[Abatis Gold]

You don't have an argument to beat this point, don't even try. Turbo has everything that you'd want from a regular match of Dota 2 without the minimum 30 minutes of play. How do people still do random lobbies and waste up to an hour+ just on a single boring match?

[Zockolade]

wow this matchmaker is so abysmal bad .. turbo are not even try to fit any match
I play less and lesser dota .. all because of a matchmaking system that is not able to create balanced matches and that is already true for allpick.

[ixthid the desolate]

引用自 General of the Ancient Abyss：

引用自 ixthid：

League is another option, you often have 15 min games due to the surrender button. Probably 1/3 of games end in a surrender instead of ancient destroyed.

Though, you are right, dota is unique.

And why exactly is a 15-min stomp more fun than a 20-min brawl?

If youre looking for shorter moba games. In general, while there are stomps (and most games end one-sidedly) there is still a lot of fun to be had, depending on how you look at the game.

[Abatis Gold]

引用自 ixthid：

Turbo mode has a lot of differences compared to dota. It was introduced this way to give people a more relaxed environment - making it ranked is the opposite of what it's supposed to be.

Dota games aren't too long, they are meant to be like that. If you want 5 minute games, go play destiny.

>Dota games aren't too long...
Please. There are plenty of matches where one side has the clear win but is too dumb to capitalize off it and kicks around the map four at least twenty minutes. The opposing team then has to "act" like they they can win. Otherwise you get reported or punished for being afk.

[ixthid the desolate]

引用自 Abatis Gold：

引用自 ixthid：

Turbo mode has a lot of differences compared to dota. It was introduced this way to give people a more relaxed environment - making it ranked is the opposite of what it's supposed to be.

Dota games aren't too long, they are meant to be like that. If you want 5 minute games, go play destiny.

>Dota games aren't too long...
Please. There are plenty of matches where one side has the clear win but is too dumb to capitalize off it and kicks around the map four at least twenty minutes. The opposing team then has to "act" like they they can win. Otherwise you get reported or punished for being afk.

stop playing in low mmr then

[Deepbluediver]

引用自 Abatis Gold：

If the game was balanced, why have rebalancing patches?

Balance is a process, especially with all the updates that Valve has to add new content, adjust the meta, and keep the game interesting. However balanced Normal mode is, Turbo mode is always less balanced than that.

[Abatis Gold]

引用自 Deepbluediver：

引用自 Abatis Gold：

If the game was balanced, why have rebalancing patches?

Balance is a process, especially with all the updates that Valve has to add new content, adjust the meta, and keep the game interesting. However balanced Normal mode is, Turbo mode is always less balanced than that.

>balance is a process
Then it would seem that they could easily balance out turbo to make a ranked version of it by your logic.

[Abatis Gold]

引用自 ixthid：

引用自 Abatis Gold：

>Dota games aren't too long...
Please. There are plenty of matches where one side has the clear win but is too dumb to capitalize off it and kicks around the map four at least twenty minutes. The opposing team then has to "act" like they they can win. Otherwise you get reported or punished for being afk.

stop playing in low mmr then

>low mmr
What do you consider low? As I find the first three levels are chocked with people that play like Artosis.

[Deepbluediver]

引用自 Abatis Gold：

[>balance is a process
Then it would seem that they could easily balance out turbo to make a ranked version of it by your logic. :thunderstruck:

Not unless they made even MORE changes to it to adjust certain heroes, items, and other rules than it already has. It wouldn't be "easy" any more than balancing regular DotA is "easy", and the more you change the more mode-specific rules people would need to learn. It would change from a simple quick-and-fun-version of regular DotA into a separate game.

[76561199268299562]

New Rank mod but Valve doesn't care

[Abatis Gold]

引用自 Deepbluediver：

引用自 Abatis Gold：

[>balance is a process
Then it would seem that they could easily balance out turbo to make a ranked version of it by your logic.

Not unless they made even MORE changes to it to adjust certain heroes, items, and other rules than it already has. It wouldn't be "easy" any more than balancing regular DotA is "easy", and the more you change the more mode-specific rules people would need to learn. It would change from a simple quick-and-fun-version of regular DotA into a separate game.

>MORE changes
ongoing balancing and increasing roaster already changes things. We've even got new items in the shops along with map layouts
>Mode-specific rules
There's not much difference between the regular matches and turbo. It's not like ability drafting or the real arcade style games dota has. Turbo is simply quicker and reduces a lot of unnecessary slow down that people have to now be trained into thinking is good.

[Deepbluediver]

引用自 Abatis Gold：

There's not much difference between the regular matches and turbo. It's not like ability drafting or the real arcade style games dota has. Turbo is simply quicker and reduces a lot of unnecessary slow down that people have to now be trained into thinking is good.

It cuts out entire sections of the game, with many matches being nothing by team-fight after team-fight, which favors some heroes and discourages others.

The fact that you think Turbo mode isn't that different from normal DotA just shows how little you understand about the game.

[Abatis Gold]

引用自 Deepbluediver：

引用自 Abatis Gold：

There's not much difference between the regular matches and turbo. It's not like ability drafting or the real arcade style games dota has. Turbo is simply quicker and reduces a lot of unnecessary slow down that people have to now be trained into thinking is good.

It cuts out entire sections of the game, with many matches being nothing by team-fight after team-fight, which favors some heroes and discourages others.

The fact that you think Turbo mode isn't that different from normal DotA just shows how little you understand about the game.

>Team-fight after Team-fight
This just shows how little you play. The game favors ratters along with regular team battles. As every game of Dota is decided upon by the capitalization of team fights and creep wave flow. At no point are you gonna get away from either being a rat or doing team fights. Other wise you're wasting everyone's time and are the reason normal games take up to an hour+ to win.

[Deepbluediver]

引用自 Abatis Gold：

This just shows how little you play. The game favors ratters along with regular team battles. As every game of Dota is decided upon by the capitalization of team fights and creep wave flow. At no point are you gonna get away from either being a rat or doing team fights. Other wise you're wasting everyone's time and are the reason normal games take up to an hour+ to win.

Moved this from the last post....

Edit: To further elaborate, if you just wanted "regular DotA but faster" then they'd speed the game up so EVERYTHING ran at double or triple speed, which you could argue is Dota-but-just-needing-faster-reflexes. Except that's NOT what turbo mode is, there's LOTS of things that are the same as normal DotA: creep spawn and respawn timers, walking pace, ability and item cooldowns, etc. So clearly if you only change HALF the important rules, it's going to frick up balance something awful.

[Abatis Gold]

引用自 Deepbluediver：

引用自 Abatis Gold：

This just shows how little you play. The game favors ratters along with regular team battles. As every game of Dota is decided upon by the capitalization of team fights and creep wave flow. At no point are you gonna get away from either being a rat or doing team fights. Other wise you're wasting everyone's time and are the reason normal games take up to an hour+ to win.

Moved this from the last post....

Edit: To further elaborate, if you just wanted "regular DotA but faster" then they'd speed the game up so EVERYTHING ran at double or triple speed, which you could argue is Dota-but-just-needing-faster-reflexes. Except that's NOT what turbo mode is, there's LOTS of things that are the same as normal DotA: creep spawn and respawn timers, walking pace, ability and item cooldowns, etc. So clearly if you only change HALF the important rules, it's going to frick up balance something awful.

>Everything ran at double or triple speed
I'm talking more about trimming fat over huffing nitro. Turbo tends to trim a lot of fat that people usually have to be trained into enjoying from regular matches. Especially with the recent changes that have been implemented. It would seem that turbo will be the eventual go to for the majority of the Dota community