PLEASE nerf phantom lancer

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dota is being ruined by people constantly picking phantom lancer every game because hes invincible once he gets a heart of terrasque, please nerf his doppleganger by removing its ability to dispel everything and increase the cooldown of it significantly.

[EthanT]

Just get items/heroes that do aoe or illusion damage? Combined with lockdown hes not that bad.

[Zagryzaec]

Originally posted by Eternal Herald:

Just get items/heroes that do aoe or illusion damage? Combined with lockdown hes not that bad.

And who the hell give enough aoe damage? That's the exact problem, aoe is low damage and single target are big damage - that's the basics of balance.

[Migmac5]

curass is your friend , sven , axe , lion area hex, maelstrom, cleave there are ways to control him the best, a good team play

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Originally posted by Eternal Herald:

Just get items/heroes that do aoe or illusion damage? Combined with lockdown hes not that bad.

And who the hell give enough aoe damage? That's the exact problem, aoe is low damage and single target are big damage - that's the basics of balance.

Axe's taunt, Lion (w/ mana drain talent, aghs finger and aoe hex talent), LC, Earthshaker (should be obvious), OD, Brewmaster (dispel), Ember, Sven, to name a few and there are a number of other hero abilities that deal big damage to illusions and also abilities that can mark the real enemy PL.

[Postal Dude of Cykaland]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Originally posted by Eternal Herald:

Just get items/heroes that do aoe or illusion damage? Combined with lockdown hes not that bad.

And who the hell give enough aoe damage? That's the exact problem, aoe is low damage and single target are big damage - that's the basics of balance.

This isn't always true. AoE can do massive damage but needs something to limit it (EG: Echo Slam requires multiple people grouped together). Likewise, Single target doesn't need to do massive damage but it usually has a massive upside if doesn't.

[Zubawanga]

i won against phantom lancer in a late game 1 on 1 fight as lone druid.
how you might ask? battlefury. and also he being more noob then me.
we have about the same networth too. he is 6 slotted while i'm 12 slotted (many neutral item)

so how do i do it? positioning the bear so his hit will hit most if not all his illusion and if you are pro and fast enough, you can find the real him and target him directly. with perma root, he can't run away and hope to regen with heart.

there is always ways to counter a hero either with another hero or item.
of course, the skill of a player plays an important role as well.

i was skill enough to find the real him while he is stupid enough to target my lone druid instead of my spirit bear after i have ult. so i won.

edit: it was ancient ranked gameplay btw. we are both safe lane roles.

[Killemajaro]

Originally posted by Zubawanga:

i won against phantom lancer in a late game 1 on 1 fight as lone druid.
how you might ask? battlefury. and also he being more noob then me.
we have about the same networth too. he is 6 slotted while i'm 12 slotted (many neutral item)

so how do i do it? positioning the bear so his hit will hit most if not all his illusion and if you are pro and fast enough, you can find the real him and target him directly. with perma root, he can't run away and hope to regen with heart.

there is always ways to counter a hero either with another hero or item.
of course, the skill of a player plays an important role as well.

i was skill enough to find the real him while he is stupid enough to target my lone druid instead of my spirit bear after i have ult. so i won.

edit: it was ancient ranked gameplay btw. we are both safe lane roles.

yea i was gonna say my friend also plays LD and i just did a game with him a lil bit ago, and he completely devoured a PL with just his bear... and i think all his bear had on it was mjollnir and radiance. he kept finding pl in jungle and at first pl kept trying to fight the bear and dying, pl was basically 6 slotted too. it was just too amusing to watch.

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if he really is OP, use him then gain MMR :)

[generalBF]

yeah aoe. zeus can lock him down, before he gets hearts

[JJ, Professional Fool]

Witchdoctor with refreshers is funny. So many bouncing casks.

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by JJ, Professional Fool / AFK:

Witchdoctor with refreshers is funny. So many bouncing casks.

Maledict will also mark the real PL.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

I just crushed PL in a Ranked game through a little thing called 'tactics'. PL had picked to counter our WK, so I did everything in my power to shut down PL. I had my team send 3 heroes to the offlane rune, rather than 2, so we could try to get FB. We didn't, but we DID force PL to take level 1 Doppelganger, weakening his early laning. Then, I spammed Ignite as much as I could, forcing him to dispel it with Doppelganger. This reduced his mana so that our Dazzle or Invoker could rotate with me and dive the tower (their supports sucked). Thus, we crushed him through teamwork.

[XRT]

Play as a team, this usually works in 6k-7k mmr bracket against PL pickers. PL isn't really the strongest hero unless you just somehow feed him with your team then it just gets out of control. Either way, I try to ban it every game.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Originally posted by XRT910:

Play as a team, this usually works in 6k-7k mmr bracket against PL pickers. PL isn't really the strongest hero unless you just somehow feed him with your team then it just gets out of control. Either way, I try to ban it every game.

At my MMR (3.1k), I always ban Meepo, because everyone that plays him here is a smurf.

[agso0]

Even Dazzle can ♥♥♥♥ up that Thundercat m8. Get good.