Ranked matches in which someone abandons....

[Miyamoto Musashi]

Should not reduce your MMR when you lose and double your MMR gain when you win. This will give people incentive to stay instead of just abandoning after someone leaves, and it will also be fair to players who are doing their best.

[慢！]

To the players who just belong to the bracket, yes.

[Big Dog]

Originally posted by 我是菜鸡，高手勿扰:

To the players who just belong to the bracket, yes.

Pretty sure I had you in one of my matches before and you are some crusader who doesn't know how to play the game and tells ppl ingame "you are in this match with me so must be my level and I know I am playing right so you are wrong" ?

Stay low rank for life!

Infact I bet I am on your avoid list :)

[Mr Blue]

Originally posted by 我是菜鸡，高手勿扰:

To the players who just belong to the bracket, yes.

u mean immortal. i seen a lot

[Miyamoto Musashi]

Random rage abandons happen in all brackets, based on what I've seen from Dota streams. The change in gold and exp gain simply cannot offset the lack of a hero. For instance, no matter how well you farm, a well placed chrono/black hole/RP/ravage will always destroy in team fights. Also, many players just stay afk for 5 minutes and get an abandon, meaning more drain overall.

[Absche]

Originally posted by Godlike:

Should not reduce your MMR when you lose and double your MMR gain when you win. This will give people incentive to stay instead of just abandoning after someone leaves, and it will also be fair to players who are doing their best.

Total stomp:
a) one sacrifices with an abandon to half the mmr loss and gets commended by the others for compensation;
b) all stay = all full mmr loss
Not a logical approach. A loss is a loss and a win a win. But what Valve can do is reward positive gaming with in-game currency like the shards. As a consequence, abandoning will lower the gain of that valuable currency. But, I guess this is not in compliance with Valve's business model.

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by Godlike:

Should not reduce your MMR when you lose....

This will just lead to people screaming at whichever teammate they like least to abandon and save their own MMR.

[Miyamoto Musashi]

Originally posted by Absche:

Originally posted by Godlike:

Should not reduce your MMR when you lose and double your MMR gain when you win. This will give people incentive to stay instead of just abandoning after someone leaves, and it will also be fair to players who are doing their best.

Total stomp:
a) one sacrifices with an abandon to half the mmr loss and gets commended by the others for compensation;
b) all stay = all full mmr loss
Not a logical approach. A loss is a loss and a win a win. But what Valve can do is reward positive gaming with in-game currency like the shards. As a consequence, abandoning will lower the gain of that valuable currency. But, I guess this is not in compliance with Valve's business model.

It is also not logical to count a 2-4 v 5 loss in a 5 v 5 MOBA a viable reason to reduce your rank as it is not directly reflective of an individual's skill within the same bracket.

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

Originally posted by Godlike:

Should not reduce your MMR when you lose....

This will just lead to people screaming at whichever teammate they like least to abandon and save their own MMR.

The option to mute others is available so this argument holds no water.

Punishing 1-4 players for the decision of a single one is an indefensible position unless you are willing to be unreasonable or biased. Objectively, it makes no sense and people should be allowed to leave a match they are losing BECAUSE someone chose to leave without having their ranked suffer for it. The only person that should be punished is the one to abandon. The other team should still win MMR as the player that initially leaves would do so because they assume they're losing.

Of course, this is only if valve wants to be fair to its players, it has no obligation to. It's their game after-all.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

It would be nice if the abandoning party collectively lost 5 people worth of MMR. Alternatively, a win with an abandon should give you the MMR of 6 people split among 4. And the abandoner should still lose a normal amount.

[Miyamoto Musashi]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

It would be nice if the abandoning party collectively lost 5 people worth of MMR. Alternatively, a win with an abandon should give you the MMR of 6 people split among 4. And the abandoner should still lose a normal amount.

Sure, that sounds fair.

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

Originally posted by Hermes:

It is also not logical to count a 2-4 v 5 loss in a 5 v 5 MOBA a viable reason to reduce your rank as it is not directly reflective of an individual's skill within the same bracket.



The option to mute others is available so this argument holds no water.

Punishing 1-4 players for the decision of a single one is an indefensible position unless you are willing to be unreasonable or biased. Objectively, it makes no sense and people should be allowed to leave a match they are losing BECAUSE someone chose to leave without having their ranked suffer for it. The only person that should be punished is the one to abandon. The other team should still win MMR as the player that initially leaves would do so because they assume they're losing.

Of course, this is only if valve wants to be fair to its players, it has no obligation to. It's their game after-all.

Then this game is not for you. Get the ♥♥♥♥ out, filthy ape.

You sound like such a joy to queue with.

[SiEgE]

Originally posted by Hermes:

You sound like such a joy to queue with.

It is an auto-response bot.
No, don't ask me, I have no idea why.

Originally posted by Hermes:

Should not reduce your MMR when you lose and double your MMR gain when you win. This will give people incentive to stay instead of just abandoning after someone leaves, and it will also be fair to players who are doing their best.

It is a rare case + you are still able to win the game even as 4 vs 5. Dota was balanced in a way it is should be possible.

[Absche]

Originally posted by Hermes:

Originally posted by Absche:

Total stomp:
a) one sacrifices with an abandon to half the mmr loss and gets commended by the others for compensation;
b) all stay = all full mmr loss
Not a logical approach. A loss is a loss and a win a win. But what Valve can do is reward positive gaming with in-game currency like the shards. As a consequence, abandoning will lower the gain of that valuable currency. But, I guess this is not in compliance with Valve's business model.

It is also not logical to count a 2-4 v 5 loss in a 5 v 5 MOBA a viable reason to reduce your rank as it is not directly reflective of an individual's skill within the same bracket.

It depends on the definition of individual skill. In my opinion it includes the skill to judge the risk when queueing with random strangers.

[Miyamoto Musashi]

Originally posted by Absche:

Originally posted by Hermes:

It is also not logical to count a 2-4 v 5 loss in a 5 v 5 MOBA a viable reason to reduce your rank as it is not directly reflective of an individual's skill within the same bracket.

It depends on the definition of individual skill. In my opinion it includes the skill to judge the risk when queueing with random strangers.

By that token, let's not queue for dota at all. Valve wins.

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by Hermes:

The option to mute others is available so this argument holds no water.

Unless you mute everyone at the loading scream, it doesn't stop people from getting into arguments.

Punishing 1-4 players for the decision of a single one is an indefensible position unless you are willing to be unreasonable or biased. Objectively, it makes no sense and people should be allowed to leave a match they are losing BECAUSE someone chose to leave without having their ranked suffer for it. The only person that should be punished is the one to abandon. The other team should still win MMR as the player that initially leaves would do so because they assume they're losing.

No one is being punished- you went into the match knowing that you are expecting to finish the match, and that if your team loses your MMR will go down. Someone abandoning is bad, but in the end it's no different than if someone TPs out to the jungle and hides for the rest of the match anyway. You want to complicate things, and add something else for players to argue over, for no real gain.

[Miyamoto Musashi]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

Originally posted by Hermes:

The option to mute others is available so this argument holds no water.

Unless you mute everyone at the loading scream, it doesn't stop people from getting into arguments.

Punishing 1-4 players for the decision of a single one is an indefensible position unless you are willing to be unreasonable or biased. Objectively, it makes no sense and people should be allowed to leave a match they are losing BECAUSE someone chose to leave without having their ranked suffer for it. The only person that should be punished is the one to abandon. The other team should still win MMR as the player that initially leaves would do so because they assume they're losing.

No one is being punished- you went into the match knowing that you are expecting to finish the match, and that if your team loses your MMR will go down. Someone abandoning is bad, but in the end it's no different than if someone TPs out to the jungle and hides for the rest of the match anyway. You want to complicate things, and add something else for players to argue over, for no real gain.

Sorry, but none of this makes any reasonable sense to me. It seems more like arguing just for the sake of arguing without any realistic and grounded foundation.

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by Hermes:

Sorry, but none of this makes any reasonable sense to me. It seems more like arguing just for the sake of arguing without any realistic and grounded foundation.

You can disagree, but Valve has said that they won't (or at least are extremely reluctant to) add a surrender option, so unless you can provide a compelling argument, the system won't change. "I don't like it and it should be different" is insufficient.