Make clear that position 4 also needs to buy wards

[RobertTF]

Position 4 players refuse or they don't know that they need to buy wards it's annoying as a hard support to get so many "Soft Support" players who are just doing nothing for the support role.

I think that they don't even know that they need to buy wards also 1:2 ratio,somehow make it clear in the game that soft support also needs to buy wards/dust at least 1:2 ratio compared to hard support

[Duchess Minty]

Originally posted by RobertTF:

I think that they don't even know that they need to buy wards also 1:2 ratio,

I think you need to explain that to the pro teams then, since they literally never do that,

[Си́нтез]

From my experience pos4 is a slot for a team captain. Usually when someone is bossing everyone around its pos4

[GRIMS]

Originally posted by Dota SuperKing 9500:

From my experience pos4 is a slot for a team captain. Usually when someone is bossing everyone around its pos4

fly is pos 5, notail is pos 5, kuro is pos 5, puppey is pos 5

[Си́нтез]

Originally posted by LET DAT SOAP HIT DA FLOOR:

Originally posted by Dota SuperKing 9500:

From my experience pos4 is a slot for a team captain. Usually when someone is bossing everyone around its pos4

fly is pos 5, notail is pos 5, kuro is pos 5, puppey is pos 5

I meant self-proclaimed matchmaking captains. Captain in pro team takes responsibility, matchmaking captain just bosses everyone around

[Absche]

Originally posted by RobertTF:

Position 4 players refuse or they don't know that they need to buy wards it's annoying as a hard support to get so many "Soft Support" players who are just doing nothing for the support role.

I think that they don't even know that they need to buy wards also 1:2 ratio,somehow make it clear in the game that soft support also needs to buy wards/dust at least 1:2 ratio compared to hard support

People have a tendency to know other people's tasks much better than those who actually play that role. It's a variant of "I always lose my games because of my team mates".

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Originally posted by Card Gamer:

Originally posted by RobertTF:

Position 4 players refuse or they don't know that they need to buy wards it's annoying as a hard support to get so many "Soft Support" players who are just doing nothing for the support role.

I think that they don't even know that they need to buy wards also 1:2 ratio,somehow make it clear in the game that soft support also needs to buy wards/dust at least 1:2 ratio compared to hard support

People have a tendency to know other people's tasks much better than those who actually play that role. It's a variant of "I always lose my games because of my team mates".

Exactly. If they are so good at the role and understand what people don't, then play it and get free mmr. Except when they do, then it is "my carry can't carry so I can't win" or "my mids always lose with last pick".....and the cycle continues

[biogoo]

When playing position 4, I hate it when the position 5 buyouts all the wards and I have no option to contribute to warding.

[GRIMS]

Originally posted by biogoo:

When playing position 4, I hate it when the position 5 buyouts all the wards and I have no option to contribute to warding.

just focus on your support items and win the game, only buy wards if ur 5's struggling, if its necessary just buy sentries, dust or smoke, but keep focus on your items

[kek]

sad

[Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant]

Originally posted by biogoo:

When playing position 4, I hate it when the position 5 buyouts all the wards and I have no option to contribute to warding.

I only have a problem with this when the pos 5 hoards the wards like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dragon or something. They'll buy out all the wards for 10 minutes straight but never use them. It gets on my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nerves as a Hard Support main. There's a lot of pet peeves I have with most support players actually, hence why I tend to carry the mantle myself instead.

As they say, "If you want it done right, do it yourself."

[Zockolade]

Even if you buy every ward till they are empty and place them on the map people say we need wards.

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by RobertTF:

Make clear that position 4 also needs to buy wards

Position 4 players refuse or they don't know that they need to buy wards it's annoying as a hard support to get so many "Soft Support" players who are just doing nothing for the support role.

I think that they don't even know that they need to buy wards also 1:2 ratio,somehow make it clear in the game that soft support also needs to buy wards/dust at least 1:2 ratio compared to hard support

If you need something from your teammates then you need to communicate it to them. There is no magic ratio or formula that all players must follow in every game.

[☠ ௹ ☠ ௹ ☠]

Originally posted by Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant:

Originally posted by biogoo:

When playing position 4, I hate it when the position 5 buyouts all the wards and I have no option to contribute to warding.

I only have a problem with this when the pos 5 hoards the wards like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dragon or something. They'll buy out all the wards for 10 minutes straight but never use them. It gets on my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nerves as a Hard Support main. There's a lot of pet peeves I have with most support players actually, hence why I tend to carry the mantle myself instead.

As they say, "If you want it done right, do it yourself."

One of the biggest noob things a pos 5 can do is use all their wards as soon as they have them......what good is it to have no wards for a push or defensive position because your position 5 used all their wards? Game is fluid......keep 2 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ extra wards for the unexpected. It pisses me off when I get pinged to use all my wards immediately. It is bad play

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by ¡ 乂 ÐÐ.КLᵃШ 乂 !:

Originally posted by Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant:

I only have a problem with this when the pos 5 hoards the wards like a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ dragon or something. They'll buy out all the wards for 10 minutes straight but never use them. It gets on my ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ nerves as a Hard Support main. There's a lot of pet peeves I have with most support players actually, hence why I tend to carry the mantle myself instead.

As they say, "If you want it done right, do it yourself."

One of the biggest noob things a pos 5 can do is use all their wards as soon as they have them......what good is it to have no wards for a push or defensive position because your position 5 used all their wards? Game is fluid......keep 2 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ extra wards for the unexpected. It pisses me off when I get pinged to use all my wards immediately. It is bad play

And then they ping "need wards!" when wards are all out of stock. Or my favorite is when someone says "Why isn't the support buying any wards?!" and there are at least 4+ wards on the map and the support has no gold but lone ranger wants to solo deep push into tier 2-3 with the entire enemy team up but no vision on them.

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Originally posted by BossGalaga:

Originally posted by ¡ 乂 ÐÐ.КLᵃШ 乂 !:

One of the biggest noob things a pos 5 can do is use all their wards as soon as they have them......what good is it to have no wards for a push or defensive position because your position 5 used all their wards? Game is fluid......keep 2 ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ extra wards for the unexpected. It pisses me off when I get pinged to use all my wards immediately. It is bad play

And then they ping "need wards!" when wards are all out of stock. Or my favorite is when someone says "Why isn't the support buying any wards?!" and there are at least 4+ wards on the map and the support has no gold but lone ranger wants to solo deep push into tier 2-3 with the entire enemy team up but no vision on them.

100% truth. Even still in Ancient/Divine, I will have games where we get rosh and people just run down mid because we have rosh.....regardless of the team taking a different objective or going to farm for an item or whatever. Like.....let me lay some ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ sentries and ob wards first while we take map control and regroup.....then let us push high ground IF it looks good. IDK how many games I've lost with impatient cores NEEDING to push t3 like a brainless barbarian (Not saying instant Rosh to T3 isn't a great play sometimes.....but it is an option not an obligation)