Can't seem to win with Phantom Lancer

[The Real GOW]

So i've been on a rather big losing streak with Phantom lancer but i can't seem to figure out why i go for the normal build of Power treads into diffusal into yasha into manta but by that time my team is rather far behind so i don't really get time to farm up for heart so i have to fight but then when it gets to the fight i deal almost no damage and die within seconds, am i doing something wrong or am i farming the wrong items or something? i can't seem to figure out the problem

[Zagryzaec]

If you can't win with sertain chars just pick others.
Phantom lancer can fight, and splitpush with just diffusal, unless counterpicked.
Which shouldn't be the case as you pick next to last.

[JaSzczur]

Hmm, I get the part that you die but you really deal almost no damage with PT, diffusal, manta? That's usually as much damage as you'll have until late game butterfly or crits.
Item build is correct, sometimes there are better ones, but this is the most often correct one. Hard to say anything more without looking into the specific game or at least picks, mind showing a match ID or two?

PL is also not very strong at the moment, but not unplayable.

[The Real GOW]

Originally posted by FeelsBadMan:

Hmm, I get the part that you die but you really deal almost no damage with PT, diffusal, manta? That's usually as much damage as you'll have until late game butterfly or crits.
Item build is correct, sometimes there are better ones, but this is the most often correct one. Hard to say anything more without looking into the specific game or at least picks, mind showing a match ID or two?

PL is also not very strong at the moment, but not unplayable.

Sure, i just played this one here, have a look this is the match ID i think 4927956562 and it's another loss added on to the horrible 6 losing streak i'm having with this guy

[󠀡󠀡]

try diffusal + echo sabre

[The Real GOW]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

try diffusal + echo sabre

How will echo sabre help? diffusal is what i use to slow them down, echo will only add on 1 more hit it will barley make a difference

[󠀡󠀡]

echo sabre adds more to the diffusal, they compliment each other

[The Real GOW]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

echo sabre adds more to the diffusal, they compliment each other

Slow isn't the issue mate, it's about phantom lancers overall damage not dealing damage fast enough to be a safe kill then a safe escape

[󠀡󠀡]

Originally posted by British Furry:

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

echo sabre adds more to the diffusal, they compliment each other

Slow isn't the issue mate, it's about phantom lancers overall damage not dealing damage fast enough to be a safe kill then a safe escape

ur thinking it wrong
also try not to go against tanks

[The Real GOW]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

Originally posted by British Furry:

Slow isn't the issue mate, it's about phantom lancers overall damage not dealing damage fast enough to be a safe kill then a safe escape

ur thinking it wrong
also try not to go against tanks

Bro look up this match ID 4927956562 PL was the perfect pick and look what happened

[󠀡󠀡]

Originally posted by British Furry:

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

ur thinking it wrong
also try not to go against tanks

Bro look up this match ID 4927956562 PL was the perfect pick and look what happened

PL had 2 Wraith Bands, no wonder why u lost...

[The Real GOW]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

Originally posted by British Furry:

Bro look up this match ID 4927956562 PL was the perfect pick and look what happened

PL had 2 Wraith Bands, no wonder why u lost...

Bro are you an idiot? he needs that for early game damage, i was against anti-mage, if you don't go 2 wraith you will get destroyed

[The Real GOW]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

Originally posted by British Furry:

You gave me terrible advice, i asked someone with over 2000 games on PL and he gave me the build so he clearly knows what' he's on about

indirect flex? frickin kill me...

pls lose as many games as humanly possible ty

Haha PL is the only char i lose with, 6 lose streak, take him out of the frame i'm on a 29 winning streak haha

[Duchess Minty]

Probably could've gone Skadi instead of Heart for a little extra damage at the cost of some tankiness. Since your team was so far behind you probably could've gone Drums as an intermediary item until you finished Heart.

[KIABAKNISATION]

Originally posted by 󠀡󠀡:

Originally posted by British Furry:

You gave me terrible advice, i asked someone with over 2000 games on PL and he gave me the build so he clearly knows what' he's on about

indirect flex? frickin kill me...

pls lose as many games as humanly possible ty

this kind of people need to get a life

[JaSzczur]

Originally posted by British Furry:

Sure, i just played this one here, have a look this is the match ID i think 4927956562 and it's another loss added on to the horrible 6 losing streak i'm having with this guy

Hmm, firstly, PL isn't a traditional offlane hero, however you did fine in lane even with shaker leaving to gank middle.
I can't really say for sure what went wrong without looking into the replay and I don't really have time for that at the moment. Everything seems fine. If I were to guess, it was either a poor teamfight or failing to stop antimage who split push you into oblivion.

Build was fine except for:

1. Stout shield. I have no idea how did you manage to survive that lane so fine without it.
   
2. Personally I would build Abyssal Blade last item instead of Heart. Imo you don't need a huge amount of raw health this game as much as more lockdown. You won't make much use of Heart's passive either, with those lineups teamfights should be short and explosive, there probably won't be time to jump out, regen and go back in. Anti-mage is also able to follow-chase you if he chooses to even if that situation happens. But the game was probably over by the time.

All in all, just looking at stats, I have no clue. Your hero should be doing plenty of damage at diffusal-manta timing. Maybe lack of detection vs shadow blade and glimmer cape?

One more thing though, you should almost never skill Phantom Rush last like you did. You can ask that PL spammer friend and I'm sure he'll confirm my words. Or look into any stats of pro games.