LOW MMR + PRO GUIDES = Nightmare

[huez]

I Mean, playing at low MMR and seeing people following Pro guides is funniest stuff in dota universe,

Its a complete disaster.

Worst thing that human can do is not seeing flaw in their flaw.
That is exactly what Pro guides on youtube etc. make people do.


PRO SAYS: BLOCK CREEPS to keep creeps closer to your tower.
LOW MMR: Blocks creeps so enemy creeps get under your tower.
NEXT SAFELANE WAVE ENDS UP UNDER ENEMY TOWER!
Due last wave got killed by your tower.
So results are exact opposite of intention.



PRO SAYS: PULL CREEPS so enemy gets less exp and creeps end up closer to your tower.
LOW MMR: Pulls creeps while his carry is taking massive damage or not getting any exp or lasthits. Next wave: ENDS UP UNDER ENEMY TOWER and HE PULLS AGAIN.
So his carry gets no farm what so ever, is completely unprotected and could be dead if trying to farm.



PRO SAYS: GANK LANES
LOW MMR: Safelane support leaves his carry once again 2vs1. Then pulls the camp so lane gets pushed to enemy tower. Then walks to mid while losing tons of exp. Leaving his carry without farm and possibly dead. AND DIES AS lvl 1 hero vs enemy lvl 4 mid.


So common pro moves. Actually make low MMR players lose games by following them.

Its just funny tho.


If you also know those moves and can explain how good moves fail.
Post them below!!!

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

As a core you can just control the wave so it wont go under your tower,even when lane is pulled.Low mmr players are low mmr because they are bad.It does not matter if they follow a guide or not,they are bad regardless.Tho cores just as bad.They push the lane,they dont react to pull and die trying to contest farm on enemy side of the lane.And when their support leaves they die alone knowing they cant do anything vs 2 heros.

[Schulti mit Sahne]

İlk olarak huez tarafından gönderildi:

I Mean, playing at low MMR and seeing people following Pro guides is funniest stuff in dota universe,

Yeah the biggest issue is people are too obsessed with guides. Each game is so versatile, that you cannot have a 100% way to go on a hero. You cannot stick to a guide 100% and expect to win.
People should use their brains. Itemize what you need. Analyse the game, analyze your teammates and picks. Whats your teams strength according to the picks? whats your teams weakness?
Most people are just too ♥♥♥♥♥ to try out an uncommon item on a hero. Thats how you actually learn to understand Dota. By Trial and error. Items are your Tools. It'd be retarded to limit yourself to a certain set of tools. It's like playing with a handicap. Imagine i'm a plumber and I'm limiting myself to a hammer and a Screwdiver despite facing different problems everytime I'm out. Yeah im gonna be a good plumber with that i guess lol.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Its true. Pulling stacked camps fixes this though as a stacked small camp can deny an entire wave

[Schulti mit Sahne]

İlk olarak ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ tarafından gönderildi:

Its true. Pulling stacked camps fixes this though as a stacked small camp can deny an entire wave

Yea Issue is there are supports who pull, even though theres a wave already pushing into your tower, granting the enemy offlane the opportunity to Dive and actually kill you.
Sometimes its just better to do a Lane-reset pull, by Timing the pull of the easy camp in a way that only 2 Lane creeps agro the Easy camp neutrals, while the other creeps keep walking towards the enemy creeps.

[Captain Wolf]

As a new player, plus 1 to all of this. Just play and have fun.

OP should seriously make an anti-guide for us. All examples he gave were on point--I'd like more.

My support pulled the lanes so much I waas trying to get lh's between T1 and T2. Nothing I could say would make him stop because he saw it on a "video".

Another good one is when a hero lanes somewhere that Dota plus doesn't suggest, and noobs start melting down.

[Schulti mit Sahne]

İlk olarak Captain Wolf tarafından gönderildi:

As a new player, plus 1 to all of this. Just play and have fun.

OP should seriously make an anti-guide for us. All examples he gave were on point--I'd like more.

My support pulled the lanes so much I waas trying to get lh's between T1 and T2. Nothing I could say would make him stop because he saw it on a "video".

Another good one is when a hero lanes somewhere that Dota plus doesn't suggest, and noobs start melting down.

Radiance wk in low mmr.
Unless you are pretty decent with lasthitting&farming in general, don't go for radiance. Especially not if you can't get it after the first 20 minutes. If you have a hard lane in a low mmr bracket as an inexperienced player, means you'll have horrible farm but the guide still tells you to get that 5.1k Item that is meant as a farm accelerant and Teamfight item. Yea gl winning the game when you are basically useless until 30 Minutes into the game when you finally got your delayed Farming item. Which will not contribute in anyway then in teamfights because the enemy carries already have bkb.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

So what do you want me to do? Sit in lane and sap all the XP?

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

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İlk olarak Captain Wolf tarafından gönderildi:

As a new player, plus 1 to all of this. Just play and have fun.

OP should seriously make an anti-guide for us. All examples he gave were on point--I'd like more.

My support pulled the lanes so much I waas trying to get lh's between T1 and T2. Nothing I could say would make him stop because he saw it on a "video".

Another good one is when a hero lanes somewhere that Dota plus doesn't suggest, and noobs start melting down.

Radiance wk in low mmr.
Unless you are pretty decent with lasthitting&farming in general, don't go for radiance. Especially not if you can't get it after the first 20 minutes. If you have a hard lane in a low mmr bracket as an inexperienced player, means you'll have horrible farm but the guide still tells you to get that 5.1k Item that is meant as a farm accelerant and Teamfight item. Yea gl winning the game when you are basically useless until 30 Minutes into the game when you finally got your delayed Farming item. Which will not contribute in anyway then in teamfights because the enemy carries already have bkb.

Does item makes him farm for 30 mins or the player?
And how does not going for farming items will help him with farming?

[|TG| BigGxyAl]

@ OP your post was very funny to me, because that is exactly what I always do. I try to do the things people demand, then screw it up even worse. No points for trying in Dota though.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Worst are supports that pull at 5 min to basically kill their own tower. I'll have to be convinced they aren't griefing

[Schulti mit Sahne]

İlk olarak Never lucky #SLM tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak EG.Viscoct tarafından gönderildi:

Radiance wk in low mmr.
Unless you are pretty decent with lasthitting&farming in general, don't go for radiance. Especially not if you can't get it after the first 20 minutes. If you have a hard lane in a low mmr bracket as an inexperienced player, means you'll have horrible farm but the guide still tells you to get that 5.1k Item that is meant as a farm accelerant and Teamfight item. Yea gl winning the game when you are basically useless until 30 Minutes into the game when you finally got your delayed Farming item. Which will not contribute in anyway then in teamfights because the enemy carries already have bkb.

Does item makes him farm for 30 mins or the player?
And how does not going for farming items will help him with farming?

"Does Item make him farm for 30 Mins or the player?" good question there. Yea obviously if you have to farm 30 minutes for a Radiance you are doing something wrong obviously. So its not the radiance. I'm just saying that Lower bracket players just don't have the farm efficiency(Lasthitting, Prioritizing lane creeps over Neutrals, not feeding etcetc), which manifests itself especially when they have a bad lane.

Cheaper Midgame Items usually have the advantage of beeing more cost effective compared to Bigger items (they do more for their Gold price than Bigger items, diffusal,Mageslayer,armlet etc). If you are Low on farm Its better to get cheaper items, that allow you to participate in fights earlier(and have an actual impact) and get back the gold you lost, like an Armlet for example. Why? because if you keep farming till 30 minutes the rest of your team will eventually die to teamfights(remember im talking about low bracket). They'll start flaming you for not participating while feeding the enemy team, which is also a factor how well a game goes(in the lower bracket toxicity more often than not leads to lost games). And If you participate in fights as WK who goes for Radiance you'll face 2 issues: You'll carry alot of Unreliable gold around that you can loose if you die, and you have basically no other item than maybe your phaseboots to increase your killthreat, thus, if you had a bad lane rendering you almost useless regarding DPS in teamfights.

And how does not going for farming items will help him with farming?
He still has his skeletons. Ofc he doesnt get as quickly charges as with radiance, but he can still farm alot with them.

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

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İlk olarak Never lucky #SLM tarafından gönderildi:

Does item makes him farm for 30 mins or the player?
And how does not going for farming items will help him with farming?

"Does Item make him farm for 30 Mins or the player?" good question there. Yea obviously if you have to farm 30 minutes for a Radiance you are doing something wrong obviously. So its not the radiance. I'm just saying that Lower bracket players just don't have the farm efficiency(Lasthitting, Prioritizing lane creeps over Neutrals, not feeding etcetc), which manifests itself especially when they have a bad lane.

Cheaper Midgame Items usually have the advantage of beeing more cost effective compared to Bigger items (they do more for their Gold price than Bigger items, diffusal,Mageslayer,armlet etc). If you are Low on farm Its better to get cheaper items, that allow you to participate in fights earlier(and have an actual impact) and get back the gold you lost, like an Armlet for example. Why? because if you keep farming till 30 minutes the rest of your team will eventually die to teamfights(remember im talking about low bracket). They'll start flaming you for not participating while feeding the enemy team, which is also a factor how well a game goes(in the lower bracket toxicity more often than not leads to lost games). And If you participate in fights as WK who goes for Radiance you'll face 2 issues: You'll carry alot of Unreliable gold around that you can loose if you die, and you have basically no other item than maybe your phaseboots to increase your killthreat, thus, if you had a bad lane rendering you almost useless regarding DPS in teamfights.

And how does not going for farming items will help him with farming?
He still has his skeletons. Ofc he doesnt get as quickly charges as with radiance, but he can still farm alot with them.

the thing is.Enemy carry is just the same.In theory they should have same amount of space.Tho if we are talking about very low skill bracket,then team with a better heros will just win.
I dont think playing fast is a solution for a low level players.They have to learn how to farm anyways.And farming creeps is something you should learn before learning how to move around the map and when to take a fight.

[Schulti mit Sahne]

İlk olarak Never lucky #SLM tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak EG.Viscoct tarafından gönderildi:

"Does Item make him farm for 30 Mins or the player?" good question there. Yea obviously if you have to farm 30 minutes for a Radiance you are doing something wrong obviously. So its not the radiance. I'm just saying that Lower bracket players just don't have the farm efficiency(Lasthitting, Prioritizing lane creeps over Neutrals, not feeding etcetc), which manifests itself especially when they have a bad lane.

Cheaper Midgame Items usually have the advantage of beeing more cost effective compared to Bigger items (they do more for their Gold price than Bigger items, diffusal,Mageslayer,armlet etc). If you are Low on farm Its better to get cheaper items, that allow you to participate in fights earlier(and have an actual impact) and get back the gold you lost, like an Armlet for example. Why? because if you keep farming till 30 minutes the rest of your team will eventually die to teamfights(remember im talking about low bracket). They'll start flaming you for not participating while feeding the enemy team, which is also a factor how well a game goes(in the lower bracket toxicity more often than not leads to lost games). And If you participate in fights as WK who goes for Radiance you'll face 2 issues: You'll carry alot of Unreliable gold around that you can loose if you die, and you have basically no other item than maybe your phaseboots to increase your killthreat, thus, if you had a bad lane rendering you almost useless regarding DPS in teamfights.

And how does not going for farming items will help him with farming?
He still has his skeletons. Ofc he doesnt get as quickly charges as with radiance, but he can still farm alot with them.

the thing is.Enemy carry is just the same.In theory they should have same amount of space.Tho if we are talking about very low skill bracket,then team with a better will just win.
I dont think playing fast is a solution for a low level players.They have to learn how to farm anyways.And farming creeps is something you should learn before learning how to move around the map and when to take a fight.

Okay thats a good point there.

[Protagoras]

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İlk olarak Never lucky #SLM tarafından gönderildi:

the thing is.Enemy carry is just the same.In theory they should have same amount of space.Tho if we are talking about very low skill bracket,then team with a better will just win.
I dont think playing fast is a solution for a low level players.They have to learn how to farm anyways.And farming creeps is something you should learn before learning how to move around the map and when to take a fight.

Okay thats a good point there.

It's really not though.

Because if you don't learn, in a balanced way, then you will not have complete understanding.

By focusing on one thing, like farming, it will have a drastic impact on what you are doing. Think about the current meta; farm all game, no fight.

Why would I ever exploit AM's blink at lvl 7? I might fail at the team fight, so I will just farm, instead of learning how to fight; by playing my hero properly, with the tools they have.

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

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İlk olarak EG.Viscoct tarafından gönderildi:

Okay thats a good point there.

It's really not though.

Because if you don't learn, in a balanced way, then you will not have complete understanding.

By focusing on one thing, like farming, it will have a drastic impact on what you are doing. Think about the current meta; farm all game, no fight.

Why would I ever exploit AM's blink at lvl 7? I might fail at the team fight, so I will just farm, instead of learning how to fight; by playing my hero properly, with the tools they have.

after u learn how to farm properly you will gain some mmr,but at some point it want be enough to keep winning.So you will have to learn something else.So i dont see a conflict there.
Also there is no such thing as learning in a balanced way.We are talking about humans here,not robots.