When against a PA what would be good time for MKB?

[The Real GOW]

Just lost a game as lifestealer because of a 19 - 1 PA and i was unable to farm my MKB, i was wondering what time would be best to head for it? I often go for treads - wand - armlet - deso - basher - Enemy dependant in this game MKB, i'm thinking if i rush for MKB straight away i'd lose all my damage from my deso and fighting power from my armlet? because i couldn't hit her at all apart from a few times with such high evasion but i feel if i rushed MKB it wouldn't really be very good for me since i'd be slow and sluggish around fights, anyone good a good idea as too when i should get it?

[JIRACHI]

LS is just horrible against PA. Even with mkb pa can still kill ls very easily with her ult and attack speed, and ls's passive doesn't do much vs pa since she's not tanky.

It really depends on what hero you're playing. Usually I'd go one main item and then mkb, or if you normally buy shadow blade on the hero (like on slark for example) get silver edge asap.

[Azor]

MKB is a good damage item on lifestealer due to his high attack speed, so you could buy it instead of desolator.
edit: I just tested it, and Treads + Armlet + MKB gives more DPS than Treads + Armlet + Deso.
edit2: correction: deso seems to be less valuable than mkb against targets with 10+ armour.

[ナルゴ]

lose the desolator against pa imo. damage and armor reduction is great but means little if you miss half the time.

if it were me I'd build mkb basher ac against pa.
-mkb - you won't miss as much
-basher - bashes will proc more reliably since you have mkb around to reduce evasion. also stops pa from attacking you temporarily when it triggers.
-ac - more attackspeed means more lifestealing, more bashing, and more mkb magic damage procs. and gives you armor to survive pa physical damage on top of that.

lifestealer wins against pa earlier, pa has the advantage by mid game, but if you reach late game with mkb, abyssal, ac, (bloodthorn for really long games) then lifestealer should have the advantage again.

[Azor]

Originally posted by Dango:

lose the desolator against pa imo. damage and armor reduction is great but means little if you miss half the time.

if it were me I'd build mkb basher ac against pa.
-mkb - you won't miss as much
-basher - bashes will proc more reliably since you have mkb around to reduce evasion. also stops pa from attacking you temporarily when it triggers.
-ac - more attackspeed means more lifestealing, more bashing, and more mkb magic damage procs. and gives you armor to survive pa physical damage on top of that.

lifestealer wins against pa earlier, pa has the advantage by mid game, but if you reach late game with mkb, abyssal, ac, (bloodthorn for really long games) then lifestealer should have the advantage again.

I'd say it's not so good against PA ALSO because she has a pretty high base armour. High armour decreases the value of a Desolator.
edit: fixed typo

[Zagryzaec]

The first item you get for damage. Its so simple.

[Ais Wallenstein]

If you are fighting against a hero with evasion, then don't buy desolator. Buy MKB instead.

[Joosh]

PA spammer here. forget mkb if you want to counter her get silver edge (remove passive skills).

[Fistraiser]

The problem isn't about mkb.the issue is you picked lifestealer.

[The Real GOW]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

The problem isn't about mkb.the issue is you picked lifestealer.

PA was picked last, i locked in 4th

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by British Scrub:

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

The problem isn't about mkb.the issue is you picked lifestealer.

PA was picked last, i locked in 4th

You don't get it.its not even about what phase in the draft you picked lifestealer.its the fact you picked the hero.one of his skills he needs is locked behind 1400 gold item now and provide no stats and you can't get till 20 mins into the game.most matches I'd considering picking lifestealer as griefing.

[practice only]

it depends on your farm i think

[Azor]

Originally posted by R:

it depends on your farm i think

No. Just go MKB on lifestealer. 1.They're about the same price. 2.They give about the same damage/second. 3.MKB is better against PA than Deso.

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Originally posted by British Scrub:

PA was picked last, i locked in 4th

You don't get it.its not even about what phase in the draft you picked lifestealer.its the fact you picked the hero.one of his skills he needs is locked behind 1400 gold item now and provide no stats and you can't get till 20 mins into the game.most matches I'd considering picking lifestealer as griefing.

I bet one of the reasons Lifestealer had less than 40% after rework winrate precisely because people thought you needed his shard, another being that he no longer is a first phase hero. Now he's sitting at 47% winrate next other carries.

[The Real GOW]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Originally posted by British Scrub:

PA was picked last, i locked in 4th

You don't get it.its not even about what phase in the draft you picked lifestealer.its the fact you picked the hero.one of his skills he needs is locked behind 1400 gold item now and provide no stats and you can't get till 20 mins into the game.most matches I'd considering picking lifestealer as griefing.

I never used to think he was good but i played him a few games ago and clapped around 26 - 4 and his rework is really good at chasing down fleeing foes