How the F is morphling allowed to exist?

[Syro System]

This hero is so extremely broken in so many ways. One of the hardest heroes to kill in the whole game (extreme tankyness AND strong mobility with a long duration hard stun), one of the highest damage outputs (both in burst potential AND sustained damage), plus he's also got rubick's ult deluxe version.
Sure, he can't copy ults, but he gets to copy 3 skills with 1 cast and he gets to do it reliably without needing to time it to the enemies spell usage, and unlike rubick he can also copy allies' spells as well as passive abilities.

So to sum up, he's got the capabilities of 5 completely different hero types rolled into 1 hero.
He's a hyper carry in the late game with a much stronger early game power when compared to similar carries like spectre and medusa.
And I personally haven't seen much of a difference between pubs and pro matches. He's just as strong in both.

[Zagryzaec]

You forgot that he can keep shifting while stunned/interrupted, and i think ive seen him shifting while silenced.

[Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

You forgot that he can keep shifting while stunned/interrupted, and i think ive seen him shifting while silenced.

He can continue shifting if stunned after activating it, but he can't activate his shift while stunned/silenced/etc. Initiate on top of him with a strong disable, hit him with a Spirit Vessel charge and burst him down. Chances are he's morphed to full agility while he's under the impression there's no danger, so he'll be squishy as ♥♥♥♥ for a few moments.
Keep in mind he's a Manta buyer, so you'll want to purchase items or focus spells that can't be purged.

[Chilli Dog Dave]

morphling keeps getting buffed instead of nerfed because of the pro scene not using him as often as they should.
outside of the pro scene morphling is cancer because the only hero who can reliably shut him down in fights is AA, every other heal reduction is dispellable (vessal, bane spell, skadi)
likewise with how broken last pick is AA is almost never a good option unless picked early in which case they wont even pick AA wasting that counter pick. great right?
his attribute shift happens instantly, no mana cost AND usable while moving meaning if you so much as fart in his direction he'll morph STR, have about 2k health instantly and you can do nothing about it.
the only reason he's as broken as he is atm is because pro's dont use him

[Palumtra]

ATM Skaadi is the best counter next to AA ult, both are undispellable and go trough BKB, otherwise you have to catch him off guard so he dont have time to begin shifting attribs.

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

He is a super high skill ceiling hero tho.Very ez to punish at any stage of the game.Its one of this high risk high reward type of heros.

[Syro System]

Originally posted by Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant:

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

You forgot that he can keep shifting while stunned/interrupted, and i think ive seen him shifting while silenced.

He can continue shifting if stunned after activating it, but he can't activate his shift while stunned/silenced/etc. Initiate on top of him with a strong disable, hit him with a Spirit Vessel charge and burst him down. Chances are he's morphed to full agility while he's under the impression there's no danger, so he'll be squishy as ♥♥♥♥ for a few moments.
Keep in mind he's a Manta buyer, so you'll want to purchase items or focus spells that can't be purged.

This entire sentence demonstrates my point. You need multiple heroes to jump him when he isn't expecting it and you need to be so fast he cant press his morph hotkey or waveform in time.
That, is bloody ridiculous.

[Syro System]

Originally posted by Never lucky #SLM:

He is a super high skill ceiling hero tho.Very ez to punish at any stage of the game.Its one of this high risk high reward type of heros.

He's the opposite of high risk. He's so hard to kill that he's a relatively low risk/HUGE reward hero, which is insane.

Originally posted by Chilli Dog Dave:

morphling keeps getting buffed instead of nerfed because of the pro scene not using him as often as they should.
outside of the pro scene morphling is cancer because the only hero who can reliably shut him down in fights is AA, every other heal reduction is dispellable (vessal, bane spell, skadi)
likewise with how broken last pick is AA is almost never a good option unless picked early in which case they wont even pick AA wasting that counter pick. great right?
his attribute shift happens instantly, no mana cost AND usable while moving meaning if you so much as fart in his direction he'll morph STR, have about 2k health instantly and you can do nothing about it.
the only reason he's as broken as he is atm is because pro's dont use him

I've seen him picked in tournaments and he's pretty much always unstoppable unless a miracle happens.

And all of this isn't even mentioning his copy ability.

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

Originally posted by Syro System:

Originally posted by Never lucky #SLM:

He is a super high skill ceiling hero tho.Very ez to punish at any stage of the game.Its one of this high risk high reward type of heros.

He's the opposite of high risk. He's so hard to kill that he's a relatively low risk/HUGE reward hero, which is insane.

So play him,if he is so ez.I would like to see how your first 20 games or so will go as this hero.
Funny how ppl only talk about good sides of the hero and always make it look like he is op.

[Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant]

Originally posted by Syro System:

Originally posted by Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant:

He can continue shifting if stunned after activating it, but he can't activate his shift while stunned/silenced/etc. Initiate on top of him with a strong disable, hit him with a Spirit Vessel charge and burst him down. Chances are he's morphed to full agility while he's under the impression there's no danger, so he'll be squishy as ♥♥♥♥ for a few moments.
Keep in mind he's a Manta buyer, so you'll want to purchase items or focus spells that can't be purged.

This entire sentence demonstrates my point. You need multiple heroes to jump him when he isn't expecting it and you need to be so fast he cant press his morph hotkey or waveform in time.
That, is bloody ridiculous.

Dota is a team game. Of course you need multiple heroes to murder him. That's how the game works. You wouldn't attempt to solo an LC would you? Why is it any different for Morph?

[Syro System]

Originally posted by Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant:

Originally posted by Syro System:

This entire sentence demonstrates my point. You need multiple heroes to jump him when he isn't expecting it and you need to be so fast he cant press his morph hotkey or waveform in time.
That, is bloody ridiculous.

Dota is a team game. Of course you need multiple heroes to murder him. That's how the game works. You wouldn't attempt to solo an LC would you? Why is it any different for Morph?

You just demonstrated how utterly ignorant you are about how the game actually works.
A carry can be killed by a support, 2 heroes can kill 4 with the right timings on their abilities, etc.
The problem with morph is that he so reliably can not be killed unless you put a massive team effort behind it AND pull it of properly (which usually needs some luck). Morph's team is typically not just going to sit there sucking their thumbs while they wait for him to die, they get a massive amount of freedom to do whatever they want in fights because morph takes so much to kill.

So either you focus on morph and get killed by his team, or you try to go on his team and get killed by him.

[Syro System]

Originally posted by Never lucky #SLM:

Originally posted by Syro System:

He's the opposite of high risk. He's so hard to kill that he's a relatively low risk/HUGE reward hero, which is insane.

So play him,if he is so ez.I would like to see how your first 20 games or so will go as this hero.
Funny how ppl only talk about good sides of the hero and always make it look like he is op.

You can suck and fail as literally every single hero in the game. That's not a valid argument.
Neither is "play him", because that doesn't do anything to fix the problem of him being broken.

[Alpha Omega Pepega]

Originally posted by Syro System:

Originally posted by Never lucky #SLM:

So play him,if he is so ez.I would like to see how your first 20 games or so will go as this hero.
Funny how ppl only talk about good sides of the hero and always make it look like he is op.

You can suck and fail as literally every single hero in the game. That's not a valid argument.
Neither is "play him", because that doesn't do anything to fix the problem of him being broken.

So riki is broken as well because heralds dont buy wards?Or what is your point?You literally use the same argument as i did,just from the other side.
Based on what you said before,bb is broken as well,coz u need to commit more,then 1 hero to kill him.Same for timber and a lot of other tanky cores.Void can pretty much do the same,if you cant control him for long enough he can just roll all damage back.
As i said,if you talk only about good sides of the hero,then every hero can be presented as broken.

[Syro System]

Originally posted by Never lucky #SLM:

Originally posted by Syro System:

You can suck and fail as literally every single hero in the game. That's not a valid argument.
Neither is "play him", because that doesn't do anything to fix the problem of him being broken.

So riki is broken as well because heralds dont buy wards?Or what is your point?You literally use the same argument as i did,just from the other side.
Based on what you said before,bb is broken as well,coz u need to commit more,then 1 hero to kill him.Same for timber and a lot of other tanky cores.Void can pretty much do the same,if you cant control him for long enough he can just roll all damage back.
As i said,if you talk only about good sides of the hero,then every hero can be presented as broken.

And now I know just how far your ignorance reaches. Thanks for letting me know you don't actually understand the problem, much less the game balance itself.

[Paco Calvicie]

No.

Im playing since 2013, so i must know something about him, damn i even played with/versus him before his ulti rework.

His core items are pretty expensive and couldn't be used in a large teamfight 'cause he's not used into a long-term teamfights versus true damage dealers in late game as Spectre for example.

Im not saying you're bad, im not even saying you don't have a good point. Please don't take my words as "an attack from an ignorant that just want to deffend his point".

Morphling needs a pretty good amount of farm and abuse feeble supports alone to do something. In a same stage of power, Antimage vs. Morphling its an easy AM setup.

(Manta + Passive = Morphling's done).

If you're a feeble support or a glass cannon hard carry, the vision should be fine to make his path and yours pretty non-viable to cross.

His ability to swap agility into strenght allows him to survive mostly if he doesn't have BKB and your team has enough stuns to make him pay, that's all. Its like our friend furion with his permanent split-pushes doing tps into the damn Narnia closet.

Have a nice day fella.

[Absche]

Morphling is a hero with a win rate well below 50% in all skill brackets.