Dota is killing itself!

[Mary]

With 57k vieuwers against leagues 171k viewers on twitch, dota is officially declared dead. Thank you smurfs! The only people still playing are addicts and the active players should be devided into 3, since most smurfs have 3 or more accounts. You destroyed the best game ever made! Good job! I love dota, but this matchmaking is total trash. Just reset all accounts and let them recal into new ranks and not just 300 mmr more or less, or it is over! every post here is about how unfair the matchmaking system is, there shouldn't be a system, it should be random. But you will never listen, and dota is never going to recover from this.

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Originally posted by M:

Originally posted by SquishNoob:

So in a non rigged system you would rise up to the level you belong... What would happen then? About what percentage of games would you win if you were actually at the mmr level you belong in and the system wasnt rigged?

If the system wasn't rigged you wouldn't have these crazy 10% wins and 90% losses or the other way around.

This is fundamentally not true.....so if you flip a coin 10 times, will you claim the coin is rigged if you get heads 1 time and tails 9 times? Also, a good point was made that you keep deflecting. If the system wasn't rigged, then what would happen if you were at your "skill" level? Because it should have you achieve roughly 50% win rate when you achieve your skill level

Why am I a Rank 2000 Immortal when I started at 100 mmr if the system was rigged? The system sucks. But it isnt ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rigged.

[Mary]

Originally posted by SquishNoob:

Originally posted by M:

yeah you would hoover around the same rank, but if you can improve you should be able to rank up. That's the way it should be, but not for me and for many many others.

Btw, why do you also not play ranked?

So, let me rephrase my original question:
What does valve get out of forcing you to lose half your games and keep you from leveling up? Your original answer that losing creates addiction which helps them bring in money is kind of pointless since, and remember you have already agreed to this, players would still lose half their games in a non rigged system the same as they would in a rigged system... So please tell me, what does valve gain from forcing you to lose?

And I used to play lots of ranked... I just dont like being forced to play roles I dont want to play.

No, we are not agreeing! I say this game is rigged and you are trying to twist my words to make it look as If I agree with you, I don't agree.

[Kagami]

Originally posted by Klaw:

Originally posted by M:

If the system wasn't rigged you wouldn't have these crazy 10% wins and 90% losses or the other way around.

This is fundamentally not true.....so if you flip a coin 10 times, will you claim the coin is rigged if you get heads 1 time and tails 9 times? Also, a good point was made that you keep deflecting. If the system wasn't rigged, then what would happen if you were at your "skill" level? Because it should have you achieve roughly 50% win rate when you achieve your skill level

Why am I a Rank 2000 Immortal when I started at 100 mmr if the system was rigged? The system sucks. But it isnt ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rigged.

The system need improvement and thats 100 percent true.

[Mary]

Originally posted by Klaw:

Originally posted by M:

If the system wasn't rigged you wouldn't have these crazy 10% wins and 90% losses or the other way around.

This is fundamentally not true.....so if you flip a coin 10 times, will you claim the coin is rigged if you get heads 1 time and tails 9 times? Also, a good point was made that you keep deflecting. If the system wasn't rigged, then what would happen if you were at your "skill" level? Because it should have you achieve roughly 50% win rate when you achieve your skill level

Why am I a Rank 2000 Immortal when I started at 100 mmr if the system was rigged? The system sucks. But it isnt ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rigged.

You must be really good, and it's kind of different when people you play with actually know what their doing.

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Originally posted by M:

Originally posted by Klaw:

This is fundamentally not true.....so if you flip a coin 10 times, will you claim the coin is rigged if you get heads 1 time and tails 9 times? Also, a good point was made that you keep deflecting. If the system wasn't rigged, then what would happen if you were at your "skill" level? Because it should have you achieve roughly 50% win rate when you achieve your skill level

Why am I a Rank 2000 Immortal when I started at 100 mmr if the system was rigged? The system sucks. But it isnt ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rigged.

You must be really good, and it's kind of different when people you play with actually know what their doing.

? I mainly played solo q games....climbing from 100 mmr.......you think people are good at 200 mmr? 300 mmr? 500 mmr? 1k mmr? 2k mmr?

Also, news flash.....I had a rank 2k immortal pl destroy all his items 2 days ago......games dont ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ get better which is why I said the matchmaking sucks....because it doesnt punish trolls and smurfs fast enough. But it isnt rigged.

[Kagami]

Originally posted by M:

Originally posted by Klaw:

This is fundamentally not true.....so if you flip a coin 10 times, will you claim the coin is rigged if you get heads 1 time and tails 9 times? Also, a good point was made that you keep deflecting. If the system wasn't rigged, then what would happen if you were at your "skill" level? Because it should have you achieve roughly 50% win rate when you achieve your skill level

Why am I a Rank 2000 Immortal when I started at 100 mmr if the system was rigged? The system sucks. But it isnt ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ rigged.

You must be really good, and it's kind of different when people you play with actually know what their doing.

Nahhh i watch his early game when he is in 100ish mmr. It’s disaster. He is not good at all back then. But he can become immortal rank now. If its rigged system he won’t be climbing rank from 100ish mmr.

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Originally posted by Kagami:

Originally posted by M:

You must be really good, and it's kind of different when people you play with actually know what their doing.

Nahhh i watch his early game when he is in 100ish mmr. It’s disaster. He is not good at all back then. But he can become immortal rank now. If its rigged system he won’t be climbing rank from 100ish mmr.

I use to sell items to make the upgrades because I didn't know you could upgrade items with components....I use to not care about last hits and just hit all the creeps in lane to push......I was 100% terrible and deserved my 100 mmr because I legit was new to dota in 2016.

If I can reach immortal in 4 1/2 years without having any prior dota experience, I refuse to accept matchmaking is rigged (like you pointed out I climbed from garbage to immortal garbage). My account literally proves you can climb starting with 0 dota experience. I wish OP would figure this out and focus on the real issues that plague the game zzz

[Kagami]

Originally posted by Klaw:

Originally posted by Kagami:

Nahhh i watch his early game when he is in 100ish mmr. It’s disaster. He is not good at all back then. But he can become immortal rank now. If its rigged system he won’t be climbing rank from 100ish mmr.

I use to sell items to make the upgrades because I didn't know you could upgrade items with components....I use to not care about last hits and just hit all the creeps in lane to push......I was 100% terrible and deserved my 100 mmr because I legit was new to dota in 2016.

If I can reach immortal in 4 1/2 years without having any prior dota experience, I refuse to accept matchmaking is rigged (like you pointed out I climbed from garbage to immortal garbage). My account literally proves you can climb starting with 0 dota experience. I wish OP would figure this out and focus on the real issues that plague the game zzz

100 percent true !

[Mary]

Originally posted by Klaw:

Originally posted by M:

You must be really good, and it's kind of different when people you play with actually know what their doing.

? I mainly played solo q games....climbing from 100 mmr.......you think people are good at 200 mmr? 300 mmr? 500 mmr? 1k mmr? 2k mmr?

Also, news flash.....I had a rank 2k immortal pl destroy all his items 2 days ago......games dont ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ get better which is why I said the matchmaking sucks....because it doesnt punish trolls and smurfs fast enough. But it isnt rigged.

2 days ago? That stuff seems to happen around every 2 matches down here. But the enemy seems to be playing well together. I can do nothing all game and still win, just because my team is better than the enemy, and that's what I mean. It's putting me with them on purpose. I tried it. my team is full of lvl 24 players that are actually new, while the enemy is lvl 90 and up. all of them. or the lvl 24 invoker support starts glowing red and berserker killing my team 32 times. Always something. It's so rare to have a balanced match. It's not even about the mmr you know, It's about the games being totally unbalanced on purpose.

[Hunting Hunter]

Originally posted by Captain Wolf:

According to Steamcharts.com, it's like the 2nd most played game right now. It almost always is as far as I know. Only CounterStrike can boast better numbers, in fact. How is it declared dead? I received no such declaration? You could be a crazy person. How would I know?

BASE ON GLOBAL RANKING DOTA 2 is now ranked 18. =D

1.
Minecraft Minecraft Mojang -
2.
League of Legends League of Legends Riot Games -
3.
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Valve Corporation -
4.
Grand Theft Auto V Grand Theft Auto V Rockstar Games 3
5.
Valorant Valorant Riot Games 1
6.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare/Warzone Call of Duty: Modern Warfare/Warzone Activision 1
7.
ROBLOX ROBLOX Roblox Corporation 1
8.
Fortnite Fortnite Epic Games 2
9.
Rocket League Rocket League Psyonix 1
10.
Apex Legends Apex Legends
11.
Genshin Impact Genshin Impact miHoYo 5
12.
Overwatch Overwatch Blizzard Entertainment -
13.
Forza Horizon 4 Forza Horizon 4 Xbox Game Studios -
14.
Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War Activision 3
15.
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege Ubisoft 1
16.
Final Fantasy XIV Online Final Fantasy XIV Online Square Enix 6
17.
World of Warcraft World of Warcraft Blizzard Entertainment 3
18.
Dota 2 Dota 2

[Mary]

Originally posted by + MQ +:

Originally posted by Captain Wolf:

According to Steamcharts.com, it's like the 2nd most played game right now. It almost always is as far as I know. Only CounterStrike can boast better numbers, in fact. How is it declared dead? I received no such declaration? You could be a crazy person. How would I know?

BASE ON GLOBAL DOTA 2 is now ranked 18. =D

Maybe I should also go play minecraft, at least I can build something up!

[Kagami]

Originally posted by + MQ +:

Originally posted by Captain Wolf:

According to Steamcharts.com, it's like the 2nd most played game right now. It almost always is as far as I know. Only CounterStrike can boast better numbers, in fact. How is it declared dead? I received no such declaration? You could be a crazy person. How would I know?

BASE ON GLOBAL RANKING DOTA 2 is now ranked 18. =D

1.
Minecraft Minecraft Mojang -
2.
League of Legends League of Legends Riot Games -
3.
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Valve Corporation -
4.
Grand Theft Auto V Grand Theft Auto V Rockstar Games 3
5.
Valorant Valorant Riot Games 1
6.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare/Warzone Call of Duty: Modern Warfare/Warzone Activision 1
7.
ROBLOX ROBLOX Roblox Corporation 1
8.
Fortnite Fortnite Epic Games 2
9.
Rocket League Rocket League Psyonix 1
10.
Apex Legends Apex Legends
11.
Genshin Impact Genshin Impact miHoYo 5
12.
Overwatch Overwatch Blizzard Entertainment -
13.
Forza Horizon 4 Forza Horizon 4 Xbox Game Studios -
14.
Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War Activision 3
15.
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege Ubisoft 1
16.
Final Fantasy XIV Online Final Fantasy XIV Online Square Enix 6
17.
World of Warcraft World of Warcraft Blizzard Entertainment 3
18.
Dota 2 Dota 2

True, but don’t forget the biggest pricepool on any online gaming tournament in the world. Dota 2 is no.1

[Mary]

Originally posted by Kagami:

Originally posted by + MQ +:

BASE ON GLOBAL RANKING DOTA 2 is now ranked 18. =D

1.
Minecraft Minecraft Mojang -
2.
League of Legends League of Legends Riot Games -
3.
Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Counter-Strike: Global Offensive Valve Corporation -
4.
Grand Theft Auto V Grand Theft Auto V Rockstar Games 3
5.
Valorant Valorant Riot Games 1
6.
Call of Duty: Modern Warfare/Warzone Call of Duty: Modern Warfare/Warzone Activision 1
7.
ROBLOX ROBLOX Roblox Corporation 1
8.
Fortnite Fortnite Epic Games 2
9.
Rocket League Rocket League Psyonix 1
10.
Apex Legends Apex Legends
11.
Genshin Impact Genshin Impact miHoYo 5
12.
Overwatch Overwatch Blizzard Entertainment -
13.
Forza Horizon 4 Forza Horizon 4 Xbox Game Studios -
14.
Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War Call of Duty: Black Ops Cold War Activision 3
15.
Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege Tom Clancy's Rainbow Six: Siege Ubisoft 1
16.
Final Fantasy XIV Online Final Fantasy XIV Online Square Enix 6
17.
World of Warcraft World of Warcraft Blizzard Entertainment 3
18.
Dota 2 Dota 2

True, but don’t forget the biggest pricepool on any online gaming tournament in the world. Dota 2 is no.1

And what does that bring to any of us? Game still poop and nobody here is gonna play TI!

[Kagami]

Originally posted by M:

Originally posted by Kagami:

True, but don’t forget the biggest pricepool on any online gaming tournament in the world. Dota 2 is no.1

And what does that bring to any of us? Game still poop and nobody here is gonna play TI!

I play the game that gave the biggest pricepool in esport industry. Thats for me is an achievement of my game dota2.

But i’m sure you aren’t proud of dota2. So thats your choice.

[Mary]

Originally posted by Kagami:

Originally posted by M:

And what does that bring to any of us? Game still poop and nobody here is gonna play TI!

I play the game that gave the biggest pricepool in esport industry. Thats for me is an achievement of my game dota2.

But i’m sure you aren’t proud of dota2. So thats your choice.

I'm proud of players that can actually beat the system, not the game.