You wont rank up as herald becouse there isnt enough mmr to rank up

[The 3 Whites]

We need helicopter mmr for heralds like free 50 mmr / week.

[Sui]

I mean u cant go negative mmr... If you hit zero and u lose... U remain at zero... So mmr isnt finite... There is also a possibility to recalibrate to a higher rank...

[Sui]

Giving free mmr to players just because their rank is low makes it pointless to have a herald rank at all... Might as well remove herald as a rank at that point and make guardian the lowest... Then petition for free mmr again... Cycle continues till the only rank left is immortal... If were all immortals there wont be a problem anymore right?

[The 3 Whites]

Originally posted by Chii-chan:

Giving free mmr to players just because their rank is low makes it pointless to have a herald rank at all... Might as well remove herald as a rank at that point and make guardian the lowest... Then petition for free mmr again... Cycle continues till the only rank left is immortal... If were all immortals there wont be a problem anymore right?

when you herald and you get free mmr but you bad then you would loose the mmr to the better players . it wouldnt make guardians the new heralds. it would just give fresh mmr to lower ranks so better players can rank up.

[Kagami]

Originally posted by Madness:

Originally posted by Chii-chan:

Giving free mmr to players just because their rank is low makes it pointless to have a herald rank at all... Might as well remove herald as a rank at that point and make guardian the lowest... Then petition for free mmr again... Cycle continues till the only rank left is immortal... If were all immortals there wont be a problem anymore right?

when you herald and you get free mmr but you bad then you would loose the mmr to the better players . it wouldnt make guardians the new heralds. it would just give fresh mmr to lower ranks so better players can rank up.

As long you can’t go beyond 0 mmr then its not really a problem. Better players aren’t decided by their mmr. But their gameplay. Also when dota2 first launch we don’t have ranked mode for years.

[The 3 Whites]

>Better players aren’t decided by their mmr.

that the main purpose of mmr. to judge you how good you are and give you equal enemies.

From what i read now in the classic elo system all new players start with 350 points. So the system is flawed. It is the easiest to get points or to keep points in the 350 range, becouse there a new players which provide new mmr. it also favors the old strong players in higher mmr, which bassically playing in their bubble trading points each others. And it disadvantaged low points players which lacksof a new point resource. they only get the naked bones of points new players bring in when they derank.

of course you can climb up in system but only if you a really strong player.

[Kagami]

Originally posted by Madness:

>Better players aren’t decided by their mmr.

that the main purpose of mmr. to judge you how good you are and give you equal enemies.

From what i read now in the classic elo system all new players start with 350 points. So the system is flawed. It is the easiest to get points or to keep points in the 350 range, becouse there a new players which provide new mmr. it also favors the old strong players in higher mmr, which bassically playing in their bubble trading points each others. And it disadvantaged low points players which lacksof a new point resource. they only get the naked bones of points new players bring in when they derank.

of course you can climb up in system but only if you a really strong player.

All this doesn’t applied when dota2 only have unranked in launched in 2013 for many years later.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Start everyone at the bottom and stop placing new players at 2k MMR. Also a change they could make

[carl]

Originally posted by Chii-chan:

I mean u cant go negative mmr... If you hit zero and u lose... U remain at zero... So mmr isnt finite... There is also a possibility to recalibrate to a higher rank...

Doesnt work . U will be at same level even if u recalibrate with 90% win rate , poz K/D and A

[MazinO]

if you are not a pro player or streamer or someone who can earn money playing the game : MMR is just a number, you can enjoy the game evzn in herald if it balanced.
and if you can't rank up, that mean you deserve that rank and don't blame other for your lose

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

ranks don't sort by skill anyway.

[RadCon One]

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

ranks don't sort by skill anyway.

They do for the most part actually. If you just calibrated then it is obviously not very reliable, but if you compare a few different players' solo MMRs and they each have a few hundred matches you can be pretty confident how they compare to one another.

[Amogus]

Originally posted by Majikat:

if you are not a pro player or streamer or someone who can earn money playing the game : MMR is just a number, you can enjoy the game evzn in herald if it balanced.
and if you can't rank up, that mean you deserve that rank and don't blame other for your lose

So I ( as a support main) shouldn't blame my hard carries who are all incapable of grasping the basic concepts of the game and shouldn't even be playing ranked for my loss?

I can't tell you how many games I get where I have hard carry teammates who never show up to team fights, try to 1v5 the entire enemy team regularly, senselessly dive and die because of it, and so many other things that I have no control over. It also doesn't help that a large portion of these people who shouldn't even be playing ranked don't communicate at all, as I try voice/text/chat wheel to interact with them and they do not react to anything I say.

On top of that, I am playing my part, mainly by providing good warding/dewarding, using my abilities intelligently, positioning myself in a way that allows for a solid engagement to occur, and sacrificing myself to save the hard carry (in the event that they will die if I don't) so that they don't get behind in gold. It's not like I'm feeding the enemy hard carry in the laning phase and they snowball late game or anything of that sort, as I would say I perform above the rank of herald (mid-high guardian).

My dilemma is one that is widely known, and that is that support mains are screwed from the start. Everybody and their mother wants to be a carry, no matter how good or bad they are at the game, and there's nothing you can do to stop 2 people from instantly locking in as hard carries and dragging the game down.

[ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ]

Originally posted by Entropy:

Originally posted by ʍolɟ ǝɥʇ ǝsɹǝʌǝɹ:

ranks don't sort by skill anyway.

They do for the most part actually. If you just calibrated then it is obviously not very reliable, but if you compare a few different players' solo MMRs and they each have a few hundred matches you can be pretty confident how they compare to one another.

The spread of skill withing a rank very wide. How is that sorted?

[Xjason]

I got out of herald with one simple trick, if everyone is bad, then play core position always like mid or safe lane and just get better then them, I was playing and getting better by watching a ton of guides and at one point getting out of herald felt like a nuisance more then a challenge it was just me dealing with position 5 core pickers and noob players trying to experiment, but I still left that mmr and it wasnt that hard, from 400 mmr to 2,200 mmr as of today, and trust me it ISNT overnight

[mortacci]

Originally posted by Chii-chan:

I mean u cant go negative mmr... If you hit zero and u lose... U remain at zero... So mmr isnt finite... There is also a possibility to recalibrate to a higher rank...

rewcalibration is uselessactually, if you go down to lower rank, even if you do recalibration and win all 10 game you get back same rank as before, sistem is broken, is made for let you go down and saty down, for that reason there areso many second account and smurf, for preserve your original rank,i tested it many time, and some time i even won all 10 game, nothing changed, so is ridiculous.