How the ♥♥♥♥ do you lane against an OD?

[Cotton]

he just uses astral imprisonment all the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ time. It's hard to aggro and kite because the cast range is ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ long. Lmao.

[Schulti mit Sahne]

引用自 Tux The Penguin：

引用自 Zagryzaec：

you kill creeps as fast as you can pushing them into OD and his tower and then go to nearest jungle camp to farm eul as fast as you can (2000+ gold bit more than meteor hammer).

As soon as you have eul he cant combo you anymore. as he have no wave clearing skills he also have problems when line is pushed into him.

I can’t seem to boink out instantly when astral imprisonment is over. Is bkb and eul’s prioritized over meteo hammer?

yes they are, given you manage to cast them before the meteor hits you, which depends on things like yours and the enemies ping, your reaction time and the enemies timing with casting his meme hammer.

[N͎M͎O͎T͎H͎]

he is really easy to kill before lvl 6. just have offlane support gank mid. I have no issues playing against OD as willow

[Kuronuts]

Pick Nyx mid. OD can never combo Nyx due to spiked carapace coming out before Astral damage and mana burn chunks od in lane. If you're not comfortable with Nyx, pick a hero that just shoves the lane into him with wave clear. Viper, Zeus, TA, Ember, etc. OD has no aoe for minions before meteor hammer and you can push lane and farm a neutral camp/get runes while he's last hitting minions one at a time.

[Cotton]

引用自 Kuronuts：

Pick Nyx mid. OD can never combo Nyx due to spiked carapace coming out before Astral damage and mana burn chunks od in lane. If you're not comfortable with Nyx, pick a hero that just shoves the lane into him with wave clear. Viper, Zeus, TA, Ember, etc. OD has no aoe for minions before meteor hammer and you can push lane and farm a neutral camp/get runes while he's last hitting minions one at a time.

The only mid hero I'm comfortable with is Arc Warden. I'm also learning Invoker. Are any of these two heroes okay against OD? I think I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up in my previous match because I wasn't super aggressive againt OD before he reached level 6.

[1MantisPhoenix]

Get invis, and bloodthorn OD - ask team to pick clinkz - Silver edge is best,
Or suppport can glimmer cape to help magic efficiency be reduced,

[RadCon One]

引用自 /1MantisPhoenix/∞：

Get invis, and bloodthorn OD - ask team to pick clinkz - Silver edge is best,
Or suppport can glimmer cape to help magic efficiency be reduced,

Silver edge against OD isn't going to save you. You are only stopping his mana-regen ability with that (and he will likely imprison himself to ignore that too), which though important for his orb effect, he still has enough to get enough shots on 1 hero to kill them. Not to mention he is asking about how to LANE against him (so early game).

OP, the long story short is OD can pretty well win vs most 1v1 matchups, and most heroes can't touch him in that phase. Heroes with ranged damage abilities and silences will knock him down a peg though such as Silencer (focus last word, not glaives), as OD is not a tank at all, and his damage comes from his abilties and orb effect.

[Cotton]

引用自 Entropy：

引用自 /1MantisPhoenix/∞：

Get invis, and bloodthorn OD - ask team to pick clinkz - Silver edge is best,
Or suppport can glimmer cape to help magic efficiency be reduced,

Silver edge against OD isn't going to save you. You are only stopping his mana-regen ability with that (and he will likely imprison himself to ignore that too), which though important for his orb effect, he still has enough to get enough shots on 1 hero to kill them. Not to mention he is asking about how to LANE against him (so early game).

OP, the long story short is OD can pretty well win vs most 1v1 matchups, and most heroes can't touch him in that phase. Heroes with ranged damage abilities and silences will knock him down a peg though such as Silencer (focus last word, not glaives), as OD is not a tank at all, and his damage comes from his abilties and orb effect.

So Silencer, Nyx, and Drow are good against OD?

[PaPi.神]

ban him?

[Cotton]

引用自 PaPi：

ban him?

bruh

[Zagryzaec]

引用自 Tux The Penguin：

引用自 Zagryzaec：

you kill creeps as fast as you can pushing them into OD and his tower and then go to nearest jungle camp to farm eul as fast as you can (2000+ gold bit more than meteor hammer).

As soon as you have eul he cant combo you anymore. as he have no wave clearing skills he also have problems when line is pushed into him.

I can’t seem to boink out instantly when astral imprisonment is over. Is bkb and eul’s prioritized over meteo hammer?

Its even better - if you press bkb or eul or sticks during bieng hidden or euled by enemy they will work instantly and automatically as soon as you move out of disable.

Even greater for you - bkb has priority over stuns. That means that if stuns arent overlapping its literally impossible to lockdown you.

For example let's take shadow shaman that has shackles duration as long as his shackles cooldown. If you press bkb while shackled you will automatically pop it up as soon as first shackles ends. Im not even sure wether it possible to hex someone with bkb after shackles even though it has literally 0 cast time.

The other example would be if you are caught with banes sleep and mirana is arrowing you. As you press bkb the very same damage from the arrow that shoulf stun you and remove sleep will actually wont stun you as your bob will work instead and will cancel the stun. And you dont even need to time it anyhow.

Same way sticks always works after eul or tornado lift of invoker as you land BEFORE the damage from the very spell disabled you (same eul tornado) kicks in.

[Cotton]

引用自 Zagryzaec：

引用自 Tux The Penguin：

I can’t seem to boink out instantly when astral imprisonment is over. Is bkb and eul’s prioritized over meteo hammer?

Its even better - if you press bkb or eul or sticks during bieng hidden or euled by enemy they will work instantly and automatically as soon as you move out of disable.

Even greater for you - bkb has priority over stuns. That means that if stuns arent overlapping its literally impossible to lockdown you.

For example let's take shadow shaman that has shackles duration as long as his shackles cooldown. If you press bkb while shackled you will automatically pop it up as soon as first shackles ends. Im not even sure wether it possible to hex someone with bkb after shackles even though it has literally 0 cast time.

The other example would be if you are caught with banes sleep and mirana is arrowing you. As you press bkb the very same damage from the arrow that shoulf stun you and remove sleep will actually wont stun you as your bob will work instead and will cancel the stun. And you dont even need to time it anyhow.

Same way sticks always works after eul or tornado lift of invoker as you land BEFORE the damage from the very spell disabled you (same eul tornado) kicks in.

Thanks for this. How about a blink dagger? Does it work the same as a bkb?

[Zagryzaec]

Im not sure. Dagger may be specifically made to be disabled by those skills, but i know that if you are hidden by YOUR teammates, like shadow demon or OD then you can blink and use bkb even in chronosphere and aghanim static storm, but with blink its harder to do because if your character need to turn even a little he will get his blink on cd/get disabled.

I wouldnt consider blink a viable option of save from OD combo. Eul, manta, even force is way more reliable.

Also force+manta will also allow you to escape puck dream coil 100% and force is breaking slark's leash.

[Nanomashines SOn]

OK i read huskar Here. Dont, Just dont. Hebwill onrshot you after you used your Ulti or bkb ist over.

Lina ist good, Puck also.. Many Heroes are good that can kill range creep over 50%.
Ususally od imprisons for the range creep. So you Nuke the creep Out of denie range.
You Regen with bottle for example for free Regen. Use the Mana to Push lane Farm Jungle. Or Attack him after imprison. Jarass him before..

[Я трахнул твою маму]

no one gonna mention viper? Good luck winning with an OD against a decent viper

[Kuronuts]

引用自 Tux The Penguin：

引用自 Kuronuts：

Pick Nyx mid. OD can never combo Nyx due to spiked carapace coming out before Astral damage and mana burn chunks od in lane. If you're not comfortable with Nyx, pick a hero that just shoves the lane into him with wave clear. Viper, Zeus, TA, Ember, etc. OD has no aoe for minions before meteor hammer and you can push lane and farm a neutral camp/get runes while he's last hitting minions one at a time.

The only mid hero I'm comfortable with is Arc Warden. I'm also learning Invoker. Are any of these two heroes okay against OD? I think I ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up in my previous match because I wasn't super aggressive againt OD before he reached level 6.

Unfortunately those are both heroes that favor od in the early levels. Quas wex invoker can survive but the kill potential favors OD once he gets meteor hammer. You'll need to expand your hero pool to counter him mid.