WE DON'T NEED MVP / HONOURS POST-STAGE

[MVP_lCE™]

I don't think this game needs such a stage because it makes more people think they are better than others and keeps chasing for that title. Just remove that useless "MVP and honouring" post-stage in the game and make the FEEDBACK in the game during the post-stage compulsory to everyone. I believe that the developer can get more close to understanding the players with what they have experienced in every game and players can understand how concerning the developer is. Otherwise, players who are dissatisfied with their games will feel the developer does nothing.

Thanks for reading.

[MVP_lCE™]

Цитата допису BossGalaga:

Цитата допису 恩恩_UDSD:

You cannot judge something of this by simply reviewing a few elaborations by someone although he speaks or explains very good. You must go and play in the exact way the person was suffering what first if you want to understand. Else, I consider anything you speak is based on the experiences you achieved from your region there.

Again, you repeatedly complain about people who abuse matchmaking and then you defend a user who has created hundreds of Steam accounts to grief, troll, smurf and cheat in-game. That is hypocritical. If that's the kind of user that you're going to defend, then you should not be making posts or threads complaining about matchmaking.

I simply asked you to elaborate on what you meant by players "chasing MVP" as you claim. You said that anything based on my experience is the servers where I play doesn't count. I actually play in multiple servers and I have not seen players "chasing MVP." How would players chase something that is arbitrary? Getting the highest KDA doesn't even guarantee that you will get MVP. Also, if my experiences don't count, then according to your own argument, your experiences don't count either.

Since when I repeatedly complain about people abuse matchmaking? Most of the thoughts I shared aren't complaints. I am not defending that person at all as I just said those who complained have points actually. If you think a forum for discussion is built for multiple users to stand on a fixed opinions, then you are totally wrong already because situations will keep changing as the world is rotating or moving where time is running or moving as well. You cannot say if I am a person who fight or battle against those who abusing or complaining, then I must stay on my path forever. Anything you read from me in the past cannot be compared with what you should read from me now. Seriously, when you said you play in multiple servers, then what mode do you active on and which servers you play? Your answers can be very easy because the lists are there. So, come introduce which servers and modes you are active on.

[MVP_lCE™]

Цитата допису Venti, Patron Saint of Traps:

Цитата допису 恩恩_UDSD:

...But if you play over thousands of matches, then maybe you will get what I mean. Those who like "abuse" your name really have point.

You know, citing a notorious forum troll who has been banned literally hundreds of times doesn't really lend your arguments weight.

If he wants to behave in that way, then be brave to accommodate the weight of critics by others. Why be shy when people says his name was abused for a point? I am not pointing at any troller (can be anyone maybe there are many, hundreds or thousands) who abused his name. If that troller or spammer got banned, then that is that troller's problem already. Not mine. I'd been trolled for few times where there are impersonators also. After ignoring and blocking all the actions, now I don't see any. I can see his name always got trolled by someone.

[BossGalaga]

Цитата допису 恩恩_UDSD:

Цитата допису BossGalaga:

Again, you repeatedly complain about people who abuse matchmaking and then you defend a user who has created hundreds of Steam accounts to grief, troll, smurf and cheat in-game. That is hypocritical. If that's the kind of user that you're going to defend, then you should not be making posts or threads complaining about matchmaking.

I simply asked you to elaborate on what you meant by players "chasing MVP" as you claim. You said that anything based on my experience is the servers where I play doesn't count. I actually play in multiple servers and I have not seen players "chasing MVP." How would players chase something that is arbitrary? Getting the highest KDA doesn't even guarantee that you will get MVP. Also, if my experiences don't count, then according to your own argument, your experiences don't count either.

Since when I repeatedly complain about people abuse matchmaking? Most of the thoughts I shared aren't complaints. I am not defending that person at all as I just said those who complained have points actually. If you think a forum for discussion is built for multiple users to stand on a fixed opinions, then you are totally wrong already because situations will keep changing as the world is rotating or moving where time is running or moving as well. You cannot say if I am a person who fight or battle against those who abusing or complaining, then I must stay on my path forever. Anything you read from me in the past cannot be compared with what you should read from me now. Seriously, when you said you play in multiple servers, then what mode do you active on and which servers you play? Your answers can be very easy because the lists are there. So, come introduce which servers and modes you are active on.

Oh you have no complaints about matchmaking then? Then it seems odd that you would complain about people "chasing MVP." Which again, makes no sense because MVP is largely arbitrary. As I already noted, even if you get the highest KDA on the winning team, it does not guarantee that you get MVP. And because it's arbitrary, how many MVPs you have got is basically meaningless. It's nice to get a MVP or mention after a match, but it's not real bragging rights like repeated rampages.

Oh, and if you're interested in my match history, my games are public. You can see what servers and modes that I have played. Unlike yours, which only shows that you have barely played a little over 300 matches in 9 years of playing Dota 2. So either you have extremely little experience playing Dota 2 or you've got something to hide.

Again, you claim that if my experience is different than yours that it doesn't mean anything. Using your own argument and logic, your experience means nothing either. I pointed this out already but you don't seem to be able to see the contradictions in your own arguments.

[Absche]

Цитата допису BossGalaga:

Цитата допису 恩恩_UDSD:

I don't think this game needs such a stage because it makes more people think they are better than others and keeps chasing for that title.

I have never seen anyone "chasing" for MVP in a Dota 2 match. It's often awarded arbitrarily. Someone with the most kills might get MVP...or a support who got very little kills might get MVP. So it's not really something that you can "chase." It sounds like you're trying to make a problem out of something that's not really a problem.

Mostly "chasing MVP" is more like not granting the MVP to others who not deserve it, at least not by opinion of the poster. MVP is not more and not less than the fulfillment of the player's need for acknowledegement. That is something the game refuses to hand out by itself.

[Schopenhauer]

Go ward a lot and you get MVP, its simple. Be a helpful teammember, thats all.

[Death by coughs]

I once got MVP for having the lowest net worth in the game. Good times.

[BossGalaga]

Цитата допису weenis:

I once got MVP for having the lowest net worth in the game. Good times.

You didn't get MVP for your networth. If it showed your networth on the MVP screen, again, it just picked a random stat to display. Sometimes it will be some other stat like how many times you used an ability, or X leading to a kill, or other stuff like that.

[MVP_lCE™]

Цитата допису weenis:

I once got MVP for having the lowest net worth in the game. Good times.

To share with you one thing, I play as Crystal Maiden, I can easily chase for MVP or honour in the game also. But I won't share how because sharing such bad things is like spreading bad information in a forum. That is against the rules of the forum already and need to type very long actually.

In addition, I can see the developer of Dota 2 is losing honours from the players from time to time, and getting praise or commend by the game AI during the post-game is totally pointless. Players should show their honours to players, not the AI to show honours to the players. A lot of people still do not understand deeply why there are many thoughts saying that someday AI could destroy humanity. Many think that AI is some kind of invention where humans will abuse them to destroy humans. That's how AI will destroy humans? My answer is NO ~ because we live in a society where the moving objects are humans which are ourselves. That's why whenever we need a kind of return, we should get it from our own kind, not from other kinds of things or creations.

Valve wants the players to feel the returns they can get is coming from the AI, then why Valve doesn't make the game be players versus AI only? Why it is so famous with players versus players in 5v5 format, right? We can see now, why players in Dota 2 are so misbehaving and never respect each other or their opponents already. A lot of forum users here never try to go as deep as possible to think of something. They like to "think big" to show off with a high ego like they know a lot of things about the game.

[MVP_lCE™]

Dear mod, this is not my spam (I just post an extra message) here because I remember you warned me before not to double commenting on anything. But I would like to share a message. - "If you (Valve) want the players to respect each other (including opponents) in the game, then you should let them judge themselves, not the AI." - My raising is stopped here ~ who don't get this, then I am speechless. Thanks for joining.

[🐰D.VA🐰]

Цитата допису 23#Jordan MichEUL&SKADI Pipen#33:

MVP is uselees since it depends in 80% only from using hero abilities. For example i had 3 games when 1 guy intentionaly feeded as vengeful and used ulti to kill 1 of our ally and he get MVP for swap kills.... Also lion who feeded entire game and griefing but had 4 finger kills
MVP as well... Pathetic af... Remove this sht or mentality those apes will never change.

Lose game does not getting mvp if not mistake just get mention anyway it is just display no one remember it after match 0.0

[Absche]

I appreciate this thread because indirectly it refers to a problem in Dota2: the lack of acknowledgement and/or rewards for filling the gaming servers and therefore feeding Valve‘s business model. You get nothing after let‘s say 45 min of gaming if you don‘t win. You can be good and positive in the game and just get the same than a troll or leaver. There are only punishments, no incentives. And I don‘t mean matchmaking rating. That is ok how it is.

The actual mvp system is far from a real incentive or reward. It is kind of arbitrary and cheap. And therefore I think it only fills a certain post-game void but gives almost nothing to the players.

Yes, we don‘t need it the way it is.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Цитата допису 恩恩_UDSD:

1. Did Valve release information say that the troll has been clarified as one?
2. I am fine as long as I can add him into my 8k+ blocklists and he doesn't disturb me anymore.
3. Did Valve release information say or show there are hundreds of bans on him?
4. Where do you usually get information of 1 and 3 or you just heard by reading the comments of others from other posts?

I PERSONALLY have reported the troll in question hundreds of times. Every time I see him (he's easy to spot by his style of rhetoric - impersonating a known forum user and posting inane rants in their name - and by the fact that he has a level 0 private profile with a low-res, non-animated version of the target's icon), I report him for Spamming, Impersonation, and if relevant, Hate Speech. Just about every time, I get a Steam message saying 'An account you reported has been banned'. And considering that troll makes up like 95% of my Steam reports, it's safe to say he's getting banned.

Цитата допису Absche:

I appreciate this thread because indirectly it refers to a problem in Dota2: the lack of acknowledgement and/or rewards for filling the gaming servers and therefore feeding Valve‘s business model. You get nothing after let‘s say 45 min of gaming if you don‘t win. You can be good and positive in the game and just get the same than a troll or leaver. There are only punishments, no incentives. And I don‘t mean matchmaking rating. That is ok how it is.

The actual mvp system is far from a real incentive or reward. It is kind of arbitrary and cheap. And therefore I think it only fills a certain post-game void but gives almost nothing to the players.

Yes, we don‘t need it the way it is.

The reward for winning and losing is the game itself. The trill of victory and the agony of defeat. That and Battlepass skins is enough for me. Dota's incredible depth means there's always something new and exotic to learn. Also, who's "we"? At least I only claim to speak for myself.

[Absche]

Цитата допису Venti, Patron Saint of Traps:

Цитата допису 恩恩_UDSD:

1. Did Valve release information say that the troll has been clarified as one?
2. I am fine as long as I can add him into my 8k+ blocklists and he doesn't disturb me anymore.
3. Did Valve release information say or show there are hundreds of bans on him?
4. Where do you usually get information of 1 and 3 or you just heard by reading the comments of others from other posts?

I PERSONALLY have reported the troll in question hundreds of times. Every time I see him (he's easy to spot by his style of rhetoric - impersonating a known forum user and posting inane rants in their name - and by the fact that he has a level 0 private profile with a low-res, non-animated version of the target's icon), I report him for Spamming, Impersonation, and if relevant, Hate Speech. Just about every time, I get a Steam message saying 'An account you reported has been banned'. And considering that troll makes up like 95% of my Steam reports, it's safe to say he's getting banned.

Цитата допису Absche:

I appreciate this thread because indirectly it refers to a problem in Dota2: the lack of acknowledgement and/or rewards for filling the gaming servers and therefore feeding Valve‘s business model. You get nothing after let‘s say 45 min of gaming if you don‘t win. You can be good and positive in the game and just get the same than a troll or leaver. There are only punishments, no incentives. And I don‘t mean matchmaking rating. That is ok how it is.

The actual mvp system is far from a real incentive or reward. It is kind of arbitrary and cheap. And therefore I think it only fills a certain post-game void but gives almost nothing to the players.

Yes, we don‘t need it the way it is.

The reward for winning and losing is the game itself. The trill of victory and the agony of defeat. That and Battlepass skins is enough for me. Dota's incredible depth means there's always something new and exotic to learn. Also, who's "we"? At least I only claim to speak for myself.

The BossGalaga troll is a master of satire that holds a mirror up to the game forum community (for whatever reasons). He mostly quotes and repeats other people‘s comments or posts. There are some moments of entertainment in it. But there is a lack of chill in the forum to enjoy the show.

Personally I don‘t see the reward Dota2 is granting as satisfying anymore. Yes, the gameplay is interesting in it’s complexity. But meanwhile I consider it to be cartoonish and a bit too much fantastic with a weird background story. Too long wait times, too long play times, much dull time in the game. I appreciate games with „progress bars“ telling me what I have achieved over the day, week, month. And developers that acknowledge and reward being a positive part of their gaming community and supporting their business.

Of course that‘s up to every player to judge that for themselves.

Yes, I withdraw the „we“ sentence.

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

Цитата допису Absche:

Цитата допису Venti, Patron Saint of Traps:

I PERSONALLY have reported the troll in question hundreds of times. Every time I see him (he's easy to spot by his style of rhetoric - impersonating a known forum user and posting inane rants in their name - and by the fact that he has a level 0 private profile with a low-res, non-animated version of the target's icon), I report him for Spamming, Impersonation, and if relevant, Hate Speech. Just about every time, I get a Steam message saying 'An account you reported has been banned'. And considering that troll makes up like 95% of my Steam reports, it's safe to say he's getting banned.



The reward for winning and losing is the game itself. The trill of victory and the agony of defeat. That and Battlepass skins is enough for me. Dota's incredible depth means there's always something new and exotic to learn. Also, who's "we"? At least I only claim to speak for myself.

The BossGalaga troll is a master of satire that holds a mirror up to the game forum community (for whatever reasons). He mostly quotes and repeats other people‘s comments or posts. There are some moments of entertainment in it. But there is a lack of chill in the forum to enjoy the show.

Personally I don‘t see the reward Dota2 is granting as satisfying anymore. Yes, the gameplay is interesting in it’s complexity. But meanwhile I consider it to be cartoonish and a bit too much fantastic with a weird background story. Too long wait times, too long play times, much dull time in the game. I appreciate games with „progress bars“ telling me what I have achieved over the day, week, month. And developers that acknowledge and reward being a positive part of their gaming community and supporting their business.

Of course that‘s up to every player to judge that for themselves.

Yes, I withdraw the „we“ sentence.

Myself, I just see the troll as an annoyance that clogs the forums and gives ammunition to Galaga haters that deliberately misinterpret the troll as Galaga himself. That's not 'satire', that's just being an irrepressible asshat for no reason.

As for Dota, it's totally fine if you want a more concrete reward structure. Not every game will be fun for every person. But if that's the case, why are you still here and commenting on every thread? I mean, I quit CoD on bad terms, but I don't go onto CoD forums and whine about SBMM and bugs. Thank you for withdrawing the 'we' though.

[:D]

When my carry gets MVP. I feel good about myself for giving him such an ez game