The best position to play abaddon?

[Marasai]

Support 5 maybe? When i play him as an offlane it just feel so underwhelming at the laning stage. Also, what items is good on this hero? I usually go vlads and pipe when i go offlane

[Mr_destroyer]

Abadon 5 is bad, you can play it 5 but only with a full party team. Why? You need a support that can hit too and be a little agresive, imagine you play with PA, Terror, SPEC. Those heroes are so easy target for offlaners so your job would be to fight back and do something to provide him a nice farm

[Schulti mit Sahne]

Originally posted by Koala:

Support 5 maybe? When i play him as an offlane it just feel so underwhelming at the laning stage. Also, what items is good on this hero? I usually go vlads and pipe when i go offlane

Pos 4 Abaddon is nice, but it depends on the lineup aswell. You don't want to be a pos 4 abaddon vs a slark or ursa lol.
I think its mostly the way you play him that is important. In my MMR(im about 1.5-2.5k) what works very well (and i have an above 50% winrate with abaddon) is Going for alot of HP&Mana regen items early on(Mana more important), then Magic Wand&Arcane boots then Mask of Madness, followed up by rushing an aghanims scepter.
Ability wise, I try to max out the Apothetic Shield as quickly as possible(and the Silence passive) in many cases. Why? because it applies a dispell. Basically you hide in the trees around your carry and apply apothetic shield on him as a dispell if they stunned him/try to gank him. Often times you can turn around a fight. If you want to rightclick harrass you apothetic shield yourself first.
So why more mana than regen items? because apothetic shield allows you to have a clarity on you and not loose its mana regen when you get attacked as long as you shield stays up.
YOu can apothetic shield to dive the tower aswell. Or harrass enemy hero by using shield on the creep thats getting attacke dby the tower to make the shield pop intentionally.

So why Mask of madness? well it grants you some HP regen, It allows you to clear creepcamps/waves a bit faster, It allows you to take towers faster, it Grants you Movement speed ot chase down targerts, it grants you insane ASP so you can apply your silence much faster on targets while thx to your ultimate you don't have to worry that much dying)

After mom you go aghs followed up by Holy locket(dont forget to choose the Heal increase Talents). Once you got aghs and holy locket and the talents your team is almost unkillable as long as they are close to you during your ultimate. (ofc this doesnt work if there is alot of burst and your team only consists out of paper heroes, which is also why you can vary alot with your itemization on abaddon). This itemization is fantastic to counter Faceless void, since you can activate your ultimate, even when you are chronoed.(yes this actually works)

Also a Highly OP alternative that noone ever seems to utilize is Blinkdagger on Abaddon.
Blink dagger doesn't get its CD reset if Abaddon receives damage during his ultimate(since the damage counts as heal). This means that you can basically run towards the enemy, kite him down, let enemy team focus you until your ultimate is triggered, and blink out at any time(except oyu get stunned/hexed of course)

TL;DR Depending on his itemization you can play abaddon as Initiator/counterinitiator/kiter/utility/tank/healer

[Marasai]

Originally posted by ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°):

Originally posted by Koala:

Support 5 maybe? When i play him as an offlane it just feel so underwhelming at the laning stage. Also, what items is good on this hero? I usually go vlads and pipe when i go offlane

Pos 4 Abaddon is nice, but it depends on the lineup aswell. You don't want to be a pos 4 abaddon vs a slark or ursa lol.
I think its mostly the way you play him that is important. In my MMR(im about 1.5-2.5k) what works very well (and i have an above 50% winrate with abaddon) is Going for alot of HP&Mana regen items early on(Mana more important), then Magic Wand&Arcane boots then Mask of Madness, followed up by rushing an aghanims scepter.
Ability wise, I try to max out the Apothetic Shield as quickly as possible(and the Silence passive) in many cases. Why? because it applies a dispell. Basically you hide in the trees around your carry and apply apothetic shield on him as a dispell if they stunned him/try to gank him. Often times you can turn around a fight. If you want to rightclick harrass you apothetic shield yourself first.
So why more mana than regen items? because apothetic shield allows you to have a clarity on you and not loose its mana regen when you get attacked as long as you shield stays up.
YOu can apothetic shield to dive the tower aswell. Or harrass enemy hero by using shield on the creep thats getting attacke dby the tower to make the shield pop intentionally.

So why Mask of madness? well it grants you some HP regen, It allows you to clear creepcamps/waves a bit faster, It allows you to take towers faster, it Grants you Movement speed ot chase down targerts, it grants you insane ASP so you can apply your silence much faster on targets while thx to your ultimate you don't have to worry that much dying)

After mom you go aghs followed up by Holy locket(dont forget to choose the Heal increase Talents). Once you got aghs and holy locket and the talents your team is almost unkillable as long as they are close to you during your ultimate. (ofc this doesnt work if there is alot of burst and your team only consists out of paper heroes, which is also why you can vary alot with your itemization on abaddon). This itemization is fantastic to counter Faceless void, since you can activate your ultimate, even when you are chronoed.(yes this actually works)

Also a Highly OP alternative that noone ever seems to utilize is Blinkdagger on Abaddon.
Blink dagger doesn't get its CD reset if Abaddon receives damage during his ultimate(since the damage counts as heal). This means that you can basically run towards the enemy, kite him down, let enemy team focus you until your ultimate is triggered, and blink out at any time(except oyu get stunned/hexed of course)

TL;DR Depending on his itemization you can play abaddon as Initiator/counterinitiator/kiter/utility/tank/healer

Thanks man

[twitch.tv/kinsassin]

abaddon is great as all positions , pos 2 good if facing hard nukers like puck invoker , ember , es , etc pos 1 as well , all you need is an armlet its a big abuse with abaddon example at low health turn on armlet and sheild and then u can toggle it back on , also it give him the dmaage he requires, @ lvl 1 orb + curse is too good for kills , u can build orb into corssion which is also good , then phase then armlet , then mom , then bkb /abyssal /deso etc upon situation blademail also good ,which makes him one of the few heros who can play all positions 1/2/3/4/5 ,but u should have agressive mentality and go in for kills and not stand behind , but if u choose to stand behind u can always heal and sheild for which u will require tranquil boots , u can build multiple boots on abaddon as well if going pos 4/5 tranquil for regen to heal , phase to chase and deal dmaage , arcane for aman to spam sheild also windlace is must for abaddon at all postions , phase boots is always better than powertreads for mvoe speed to chase to get 4 hits if u going carry
big counter is sd

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* soul ring is good but wont heal you in burrowed time