Dota 2
What is the easiest hero to play on pos5? And how to play pos5?
(sry for my english). I want to improve at playing pos5 so in my opinion it is better to begin with easy and quite effective heroes so that is why I need your thoughts on what hero is the best in my case?
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There is no easiest heroes to play, because it depends on the enemy team. It depends on how you play (solo or premades). And it also depends on skill bracket. However I would recommend Ogre Magi, tanky, has stuns, slows, a buff. Make sure to build sup item like force staff and glimmer, and try to make the best use of your ult with items such as euls, lotus orb, scyte of vyse.

CM is also good. Really weak, so I suggest building one or two bracer after your boots before you go another item. She has a root, a slow, global mana regen which is really nice for your team and big nukes. Make sure to play safe and to communicate with pings with your team to make sure you are nost wasting your ressources.

At laning stage, support should protect the carry, harass the enemy, control lane equilibrium with pulling. Further into the game, pos 5 can rotate to prevent ganks and tower diving, or to iniate ganks of his own, smoke, dusts and sentries can be a good thing to bring. Support shouldn't farm jungle unless he desperately need an item, like boots if he has had a bad game early. Or to finish an item like blink, glimmer or force staff who are life saving items and worth taking some creeps. During the whole game you should focus on warding/dewarding, building support item (protection, escape, aura, sometimes control), force staff, glimmer, euls, ghost scepter are often good items on supports. Lotus orb if you get more money and if enemy team relies heavily on disables. And you should play around your team, because most of the time, as a pos 5, you won't do much alone, you need teammates to achieve pushes or kills most of the time.

You might want to go and check heroes winrate by bracket on https://www.dotabuff.com/heroes , you don't need to register to see data. Maybe it will help you to find supports who are easier to play.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Ulthwé; 2020. dec. 3., 6:39
I would recommend lich or warlock as first sups. As warlock you have strong hearing in lane, great teamfight presence and insane ultimate capable to wipe out noncareful foes.

Lich is very versatile support that with enough mango can win most lanes and useful at any stage of the game. Also nonconsidering mana management he is pretty easy and effective.

I don't recommend you Crystal maiden as she is very slow vulnerable and hard to use, and I wouldn't recommend you the ogre as MEELEE character are very hard to play for begginers especially in support role.

There are a tons of stuff you must learn, but go In a small steps. Try all the meta supports and find out which one you like to play.
Thank you all for your advices, what about warlock - I tried playing him once and found myself not being able to control 2 units at the same time, which is the reason why I cannot play him. I also tried playing cryistal maiden and had no times when I could use my ult successfully due to stuns thrown in my face. Ogre was quite a good variant, enjoyed playing this hero the most I think, so I am going to play him a lot.
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Thank you all for your advices, what about warlock - I tried playing him once and found myself not being able to control 2 units at the same time, which is the reason why I cannot play him. I also tried playing cryistal maiden and had no times when I could use my ult successfully due to stuns thrown in my face. Ogre was quite a good variant, enjoyed playing this hero the most I think, so I am going to play him a lot.
Maiden ult is something you use either for the immediate slows, you know for a fact they have no stuns or they're on cooldown, or to tank stuns so your allies don't have to.

I'm gonna recommend Maiden anyways since she always contributes to the team in some fashion even if it's just by being a minor mana battery but also because Nova is a great slow/nuke that can be used to wave clear or depush as needed, Jakiro because he can quickly clear waves or defend towers as well on top of being able to help destroy them faster, and maybe Shaman because he can can quickly push out lanes and take towers, also has a fair bit of lockdown that only requires an Aether Lens to not put yourself in too much danger to use.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Duchess Minty; 2020. dec. 4., 0:38
I recommend Witch Doctor, Crystal Maiden, Shadow Shaman, Lich as ranged and Ogre Magi, Treant and Undying as melee support heroes. I think most important is to think about what combos you may offer for your laning partner a) to save him and b) to set up ganks. Open up your mind for some joint action with your laning partner. Mind the items or abilities to heal and stun, slow etc. Learn to know what pings will tell you in different context. Next is providing vision to your lane, observer and if needed sentry wards. Then more sophisticated tasks like pulling and stacking but they may not be that decisive but good to practice anyway. Cores often pull and stack for themselves because they are the ones who play according to their pace and style.

Later in the game you may extend your vision task to the hotspots of team activities for the entire map, provide your ultimates for team fights and help your team with support items for auras, healing, stuns etc. Glimmer cape and ether lense are very helpful items to keep squishy support heroes out of disasters. Glimmer cape is essential for maiden and WD for their ultimates.

What you may not consider as pos 5 player from the beginning is, that your position 5 is determined to be the captain of the team. You will give the calls if you gain more experience. So, just prepare for that in training your map awareness. Get routine in lane that you have a chance to look around on the entire map, as you don’t have to care about every last hit. Treant with his global hero and building healing and protection ability may help you in this regard.

Have fun!
Amendment: yes, Warlock is great too!
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Absche; 2020. dec. 4., 2:17
CM or Silencer i think...
ybutenko eredeti hozzászólása:
Thank you all for your advices, what about warlock - I tried playing him once and found myself not being able to control 2 units at the same time, which is the reason why I cannot play him. I also tried playing cryistal maiden and had no times when I could use my ult successfully due to stuns thrown in my face. Ogre was quite a good variant, enjoyed playing this hero the most I think, so I am going to play him a lot.
You do not need to control two units with him.

In lane you trade hp and use shadow word ONLY for negating harass of enemies on yourself and your carry.

In midgame you need to
1 castes bonds on grouped enemies - that's already makes you meta useful if your team fights, then drop golem on their head and as they are stunned start casting upheaval. After that leave warlock channelling and only control golem.

In late game it's basically the same but you can cast gilems twice and than just control them as group.

As for Crystal maiden ult - glimmer is usually useless, as any non braindead enemy will bring the dusts and the secret is to cast it from trees near the fight. But that's also suggest that you need to choose place for fight that doesn't happen often in lower ratings. Also if you only need invis for ulting naked shadow amulet will be better.

As for actually picking her, cm is a classical pos 5 and I love her as a char or as a symbol, but I don't pick her, cause if you want to win you need to have reliable impact in game.

First of all cm is horrendously slowed for no reason. That's bad for absolutely everything. She have no stun at all and no natural way to hard control enemy. THAT means he can always press bkb and kill/ignore her completely or manta and just ignore her. Even lich has hard control now, and the lack of it was the very reason I started build hex on him.

Her aura is also useless, as it's effect is negligible for everyone but her and even she doesn't benefit much from it. Also in meta where everybody ferry themselves tons of mango slow management is just has no place and harass also useless as enemies can just ferry flasks to themselves.

There are lots of chars that I like but was have to drop/almost drop to actually win games for my team, even when my team is weaker significantly. Necro, maiden, even lion are not a good winning picks.

On the other hand lich, snapfire, and even Zeus can be so much more useful.
Dann Zag, can you stop giving useless advice... Warlock is not easy, beginners can't multitask that much. And pls stop that nonsense about glimmer. Do you want me to link my games yesterday with WW where glimmer saved me multiple times. And you can't save anyone with a shadow amulet.
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Dann Zag, can you stop giving useless advice... Warlock is not easy, beginners can't multitask that much. And pls stop that nonsense about glimmer. Do you want me to link my games yesterday with WW where glimmer saved me multiple times. And you can't save anyone with a shadow amulet.
Multitask what? Warlock can't move while channelling upheaval. What are they going to do? Watch the channelling bar? Or golems have too much active skills?

Warlock literally considered one of easiest supports. Not by me personally but still. Good heal, no skillshots, high efficiency, late game summon Golan even by just dieing. Stun through bkb.

What multitasking you mean aside the same all other supports do?

And yeah, shadow amulet works on other's too.
Legutóbb szerkesztette: Zagryzaec; 2020. dec. 4., 7:44
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Dann Zag, can you stop giving useless advice... Warlock is not easy, beginners can't multitask that much. And pls stop that nonsense about glimmer. Do you want me to link my games yesterday with WW where glimmer saved me multiple times. And you can't save anyone with a shadow amulet.
Multitask what? Warlock can't move while channelling upheaval. What are they going to do? Watch the channelling bar? Or golems have too much active skills?

Warlock literally considered one of easiest supports. Not by me personally but still. Good heal, no skillshots, high efficiency, late game summon Golan even by just dieing. Stun through bkb.

What multitasking you mean aside the same all other supports do?

And yeah, shadow amulet works on other's too.
I agree. At least most of the time it is only one unit to control. Warlock is channeling while his Golem(s) does/do havoc.
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Multitask what? Warlock can't move while channelling upheaval. What are they going to do? Watch the channelling bar? Or golems have too much active skills?

Warlock literally considered one of easiest supports. Not by me personally but still. Good heal, no skillshots, high efficiency, late game summon Golan even by just dieing. Stun through bkb.

What multitasking you mean aside the same all other supports do?

And yeah, shadow amulet works on other's too.
I agree. At least most of the time it is only one unit to control. Warlock is channeling while his Golem(s) does/do havoc.

Do you do that with lone druid? Let the druid in base with aghs and make the bear fight... Because it is the same nonsense. You can't just play the golem and leave your hero to die. Warlock channeling is really vulnerable.
He gives a tonshit of slow while enemies are stunned with upheaval, and if they kill him it's just summon MORE golems. Also as soon as you casted all your skills you can die freely, you still be efficient helper.
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Dann Zag, can you stop giving useless advice... Warlock is not easy, beginners can't multitask that much. And pls stop that nonsense about glimmer. Do you want me to link my games yesterday with WW where glimmer saved me multiple times. And you can't save anyone with a shadow amulet.
Multitask what? Warlock can't move while channelling upheaval. What are they going to do? Watch the channelling bar? Or golems have too much active skills?

Warlock literally considered one of easiest supports. Not by me personally but still. Good heal, no skillshots, high efficiency, late game summon Golan even by just dieing. Stun through bkb.

What multitasking you mean aside the same all other supports do?

And yeah, shadow amulet works on other's too.

Warlock can't move, but you need to be sure your hero isn't dying... It makes several things do deal with.

Is warlock considered easy? He has a dot heal, a channeled slow and a ult which implies units gestion. How is that considered easy?

Supports don't multitask most of the time, they do one thing after the another. or things which are done together are really simple, like warding and stacking, or stacking and taking rune. it doesn't happen at the same time but one thing after the other.

You can't move with shadow amulet. And if I'm not mistaken it has an awful range.
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He gives a tonshit of slow while enemies are stunned with upheaval, and if they kill him it's just summon MORE golems. Also as soon as you casted all your skills you can die freely, you still be efficient helper.

That it not how it works. A dead support is never more efficient than a living support.
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