Why TI 10 did not happen in 2020?

[♦ Tobirama Senjū ♦]

These are some of my opinions, leaving aside that I consider dota 2 as a great game in general.

Valve has literally abandoned us: I usually try to be positive. I've been supporting dota 2 events for years. Even knowing that several of their jobs have been disappointing and still exist today. Thus, I am such an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for keeping spending money on them, hoping that at some point they would change their chip. But nothing is further from reality, as we have seen well in this year 2020.

We have raised a huge amount of money. We have even surpassed last year's pool again. We are always the community that most supports their game with money, and what do we receive from the company that runs that game? ... I think we pay more than we receive. In the current era in which we live, games are no longer just a CD that you insert into your computer and install and that's it. Now it is something more complete. And that's why the games last longer too. That is, you don't just play them and you forget about them. In this way dota 2 has been active for many years and many more that I hope.

For this to be possible, it requires that the company behind this great game do "things." So that we feel involved. After all and as I said before, today games are more than just a program that you install and play. You generate a group of friends, and a community. And THIS is what the company has to take care of. There are things that are only in the hands of the company. It cannot be that everything is contributed by the community. And this is the impression that this game gives me. We need certain things, which on the other hand, for the most part, are super MINIMAL things. For example, one community manager per language? (which is what they currently do with "Underlords") Is that difficult?

It also makes me angry to see news such as: "We do not know when we will do The international 10 ... and regarding the regional leagues we will already inform in future...(because swimming in money is soo tiring)" or...

"The current pandemic situation has had an impact on our development capacity, so it is unlikely there will be a Trove treasure this year. We are hopeful that Windranger Arcana and Immortal 3 treasure will be coming within the next couple weeks or so, with Windranger coming out first".

-Are you telling me that they found out IN SEPTEMBER that the current Pandemic situation has had an impact on their development capacity? Of course.

-Is there SO little organization at Valve? Are you telling me that knowing that EVERY year there is an International, that EVERY year there are immortal treasures or trove carafe, that there are arcanes/personas(at least last 2 years) ... Are you telling me that you think ALL this stuff just before the International starts and during it? , and then developing everything and releasing it?
Is there really SO little planning??

Another thing that pisses me off, and which is the main topic of this thread. It is why the "The international 10" event has not taken place this year. Thread which I can support with this video:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1300287401508483073

In short, many tournaments of many other games have been held at a competitive level. Why? Because we are an "E-Sports", we play online, "we are video games". We can play our electronic game anywhere in the world, at any time. "We are the only game that does not have a competitive scene!"


Anyway ... All this and much more(like the little or non-existent publicity they give to the game), is what makes me angry about this company


"Valve is just a politician who has the tools to do things but won't do it. The main objective is to get rich for as long as the opportunity lasts". -A random guy from dota 2 reddit.


To end, I apologize for the length of the thread and for any errors in spelling and language in general. English is not my mother tongue. I just wanted to share my current feelings from my beloved game.

[Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant]

I don't necessarily disagree with these points, but I also don't think any of this is out of malice or neglect by the people who do actually work on Dota regularly.
Valve has an alleged flat employee structure, where everyone is their own boss and works on what they want. In recent years though, this system has been revealed to be fairly superficial, because of hierarchies that exist outside of the official structure. You càn find out more details online, primarily by an unofficial reporter on the company, Valve News Network, but the gist is that there's a few senior employees who essentially run the show and while you technically don't have to do as they say, they can and will make your life hell if you don't.
There's been multiple instances of this kind of abuse of authority at Valve reported, and I don't doubt it's the primary reason why some of Valve's games have been suffering to one degree or another. The fact that Battlepass content was delayed (and seemingly was subject to very last minute changes and alterations), implies there are not particularly many people actually working on Dota right now. It would not surprise me in the least that said authority figures are gating access to working on Dota, either by restricting current employees from switching over, or blocking requests to hire more staff specifically for Dota.

[Leon]

Originally posted by ♦ Tobirama Senjū ♦:

These are some of my opinions, leaving aside that I consider dota 2 as a great game in general.

Valve has literally abandoned us: I usually try to be positive. I've been supporting dota 2 events for years. Even knowing that several of their jobs have been disappointing and still exist today. Thus, I am such an ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ for keeping spending money on them, hoping that at some point they would change their chip. But nothing is further from reality, as we have seen well in this year 2020.

We have raised a huge amount of money. We have even surpassed last year's pool again. We are always the community that most supports their game with money, and what do we receive from the company that runs that game? ... I think we pay more than we receive. In the current era in which we live, games are no longer just a CD that you insert into your computer and install and that's it. Now it is something more complete. And that's why the games last longer too. That is, you don't just play them and you forget about them. In this way dota 2 has been active for many years and many more that I hope.

For this to be possible, it requires that the company behind this great game do "things." So that we feel involved. After all and as I said before, today games are more than just a program that you install and play. You generate a group of friends, and a community. And THIS is what the company has to take care of. There are things that are only in the hands of the company. It cannot be that everything is contributed by the community. And this is the impression that this game gives me. We need certain things, which on the other hand, for the most part, are super MINIMAL things. For example, one community manager per language? (which is what they currently do with "Underlords") Is that difficult?

It also makes me angry to see news such as: "We do not know when we will do The international 10 ... and regarding the regional leagues we will already inform in future...(because swimming in money is soo tiring)" or...

"The current pandemic situation has had an impact on our development capacity, so it is unlikely there will be a Trove treasure this year. We are hopeful that Windranger Arcana and Immortal 3 treasure will be coming within the next couple weeks or so, with Windranger coming out first".

-Are you telling me that they found out IN SEPTEMBER that the current Pandemic situation has had an impact on their development capacity? Of course.

-Is there SO little organization at Valve? Are you telling me that knowing that EVERY year there is an International, that EVERY year there are immortal treasures or trove carafe, that there are arcanes/personas(at least last 2 years) ... Are you telling me that you think ALL this stuff just before the International starts and during it? , and then developing everything and releasing it?
Is there really SO little planning??

Another thing that pisses me off, and which is the main topic of this thread. It is why the "The international 10" event has not taken place this year. Thread which I can support with this video:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1300287401508483073

In short, many tournaments of many other games have been held at a competitive level. Why? Because we are an "E-Sports", we play online, "we are video games". We can play our electronic game anywhere in the world, at any time. "We are the only game that does not have a competitive scene!"


Anyway ... All this and much more(like the little or non-existent publicity they give to the game), is what makes me angry about this company


"Valve is just a politician who has the tools to do things but won't do it. The main objective is to get rich for as long as the opportunity lasts". -A random guy from dota 2 reddit.


To end, I apologize for the length of the thread and for any errors in spelling and language in general. English is not my mother tongue. I just wanted to share my current feelings from my beloved game.

Well if your disappointment is bigger than your enjoyment of the game. The exit door always open. The game is free to play anyway. Also there are tons of other steam games that maybe can deliver the online tournament you want so bad in 2020. Its just not in dota2. As simple as that.

[Absche]

Originally posted by Dante:

Originally posted by ♦ Tobirama Senjū ♦:

These are some of my opinions, leaving aside that I consider dota 2 as a great game in general. ...

Well if your disappointment is bigger than your enjoyment of the game. The exit door always open. The game is free to play anyway. Also there are tons of other steam games that maybe can deliver the online tournament you want so bad in 2020. Its just not in dota2. As simple as that.

I agree in general that if you constantly run into dissatisfaction with a video game you better leave it for good than accumulate frustration and enter a frustration aggression cycle, not only harming yourself but others.

But this is a new situation with Valve collecting prize money for an event they have stopped any communication about for half a year. That is no permanent frustration but doubts about where your money goes to, into a Corona employee protection plan at Valve or really an international tournament? I think it‘s a valid expectation that, if a company collects over 40.000.000 $ for a tournament usually held end of August gives some basic info about that crowed funded prize money and the progress in event planning. Even if it is only a short notice about that nothing is fixed for now because of ... reasons. I think quarterly „reports“ about the status of funding and realization is a typical reporting schedule not only for stock exchange.

[Leon]

Originally posted by Card Gamer:

Originally posted by Dante:

Well if your disappointment is bigger than your enjoyment of the game. The exit door always open. The game is free to play anyway. Also there are tons of other steam games that maybe can deliver the online tournament you want so bad in 2020. Its just not in dota2. As simple as that.

I agree in general that if you constantly run into dissatisfaction with a video game you better leave it for good than accumulate frustration and enter a frustration aggression cycle, not only harming yourself but others.

But this is a new situation with Valve collecting prize money for an event they have stopped any communication about for half a year. That is no permanent frustration but doubts about where your money goes to, into a Corona employee protection plan at Valve or really an international tournament? I think it‘s a valid expectation that, if a company collects over 40.000.000 $ for a tournament usually held end of August gives some basic info about that crowed funded prize money and the progress in event planning. Even if it is only a short notice about that nothing is fixed for now because of ... reasons. I think quarterly „reports“ about the status of funding and realization is a typical reporting schedule not only for stock exchange.

My best guess they will announce it after BP ends also probably at the start of new DPC season.

[Absche]

Originally posted by Dante:

Originally posted by Card Gamer:

I agree in general that if you constantly run into dissatisfaction with a video game you better leave it for good than accumulate frustration and enter a frustration aggression cycle, not only harming yourself but others.

But this is a new situation with Valve collecting prize money for an event they have stopped any communication about for half a year. That is no permanent frustration but doubts about where your money goes to, into a Corona employee protection plan at Valve or really an international tournament? I think it‘s a valid expectation that, if a company collects over 40.000.000 $ for a tournament usually held end of August gives some basic info about that crowed funded prize money and the progress in event planning. Even if it is only a short notice about that nothing is fixed for now because of ... reasons. I think quarterly „reports“ about the status of funding and realization is a typical reporting schedule not only for stock exchange.

My best guess they will announce it after BP ends also probably at the start of new DPC season.

I still think they don’t follow a reasonable or suitable public announcement plan. Can you imagine a sponsor satisfied by the very vague statements from half a year ago for putting almost 40.000.000 $ funding into a project? That unreasonable trust makes business headlines later with million dollar fraud cases. Let‘s see if Valve gets bought by a Chinese company taking the money away as a revenge for the tiktok case (evil laughter).

[Gomita Rebelde]

If any of you think someone will read your walls of text you are just dumb.

[Leon]

Originally posted by Card Gamer:

Originally posted by Dante:

My best guess they will announce it after BP ends also probably at the start of new DPC season.

I still think they don’t follow a reasonable or suitable public announcement plan. Can you imagine a sponsor satisfied by the very vague statements from half a year ago for putting almost 40.000.000 $ funding into a project? That unreasonable trust makes business headlines later with million dollar fraud cases. Let‘s see if Valve gets bought by a Chinese company taking the money away as a revenge for the tiktok case (evil laughter).

I dont speculate. And as far as i’m concern TI is still happening (thus where the money goes) just not this year.

[♦ Tobirama Senjū ♦]

Originally posted by Gomita Rebelde:

If any of you think someone will read your walls of text you are just dumb.

Some people like reading.

[Leon]

Originally posted by ♦ Tobirama Senjū ♦:

Originally posted by Gomita Rebelde:

If any of you think someone will read your walls of text you are just dumb.

Some people like reading.

Most people dont.

[♦ Tobirama Senjū ♦]

Originally posted by Dante:

Originally posted by ♦ Tobirama Senjū ♦:

Some people like reading.

Most people dont.

You're not most people.

[Woody]

TI is always a LAN, LAN events can't happen cause of COVID.