How to win as carry

[Shadow Pool]

I used to spam safelane and got to ancient 2.. dropped now to legend 3 with the good forced 50% winrate ♥♥♥♥face gaben served us with.

Is there any tip on how to play safelane?

I do well on my lane.. untill mid rotates and offlane rotate and all the ♥♥♥♥ing enemy team rotates to my lane..

My mid afk farms, pos 4 planting bananas, offlane is already 0-4... they dive into forest tower i die.. then game goes downhill..

They hunt me on every corner of the map and my team loses every teamfight..

How to get around this? I want to play safelane but i find safelane the most ♥♥♥♥ role to play.. without good supports the game is lost in the first 15 mins..

The games are too ♥♥♥♥ing imbalanced.. they feel so ♥♥♥♥ing forced. After i win 1-2 games my team is crushed and i get beyond garbage games, but i don't know what i can expect from the matchmaking dota 2 has.. it can get easily the cancer of gaming award

[Fenrir_El]

Originally posted by spzHades:

I do well on my lane.. untill mid rotates and offlane rotate and all the ♥♥♥♥ing enemy team rotates to my lane..

I am 2.5k mmr, so you can ignore me if you want, but this is already pointing out one of your mistakes. You should NOT stay on safelane for too long. Around 10min mark, start thinking where else could you be and can you even stay on your safelane? If midlaner is ganking you and you're dying, then go jungle, until your teammates start playing together, then you can rotate to lanes that are safe (safe lanes become safe, when people who can kill you on the opposite side of the map). Sometimes, you should abandon your lane as soon as you get lvl6 or before enemy gets lvl6.

Originally posted by spzHades:

My mid afk farms, pos 4 planting bananas, offlane is already 0-4... they dive into forest tower i die.. then game goes downhill..

be honest, that's not how every match is. Some matches are 100% losses, but some are winnable with a condition you yourself don't make serious mistakes. Ask yourself, in those lost matches, did you lose your lane? did you achieve your item timings? did you had your tp ready when your team fought around your towers and you could have done something? did you go too greedy item build, when your team was already getting hard pressured around minute 15?

Originally posted by spzHades:

How to get around this? I want to play safelane but i find safelane the most ♥♥♥♥ role to play.. without good supports the game is lost in the first 15 mins..

Same issue. I just try to pick heroes according to my supports. If I have ogre, I pick ranged carry. If I have pudge/shaker/invoker as pos.5, I automatically assume they are beyond bad and I pick a carry, who can survive the lane 1v2 and then go to jungle at lvl5-6. Basically, you need to look to compensate for your teammates. If your offlaners picks someone like sven/wk, chances are they will go midas/radiance, so you need to pick someone who fights early on, from like minute 15. Desirably, someone who can win the lane.

[Shadow Pool]

Well i can spam am/drow/wk/jug to get back above 4k mmr.. but i like diversity and i am not interested in that as i have 180/222 hero unlocks into cavern, and going aboive 4k would be hard on certain heroes even in turbo and i would punch myself.

Usually i do that.. but sometimes i get so much pressure.

I love playing pos 2/4 cause i am in the control of the game.

As a mid player i see rotation, my carry dies so does their mid tower -> more space for my carry and i can push other lanes
As a pos 4 i see rotation to my carry or mid i go help and make space.

In 3k bracket no one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ plays around carry. Mid afk farming.. invo having 0 assits in min 30.. much teamplay.

And i swear as a 52% winrate you get to play with such bad people against good players. The games are just unfair, you make no difference unless you are 2-3k above your bracket.

I was stuck in 2k for 200-300 games until i snowballed into 3500 then 4200mmr and now i;m down to 3300. And the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ i am getting in the games is unreal down from 4200. I was getting game after game where as a pos 1 i couldn't do ♥♥♥♥. Offlane and mid were lost so bad i was unable to do anything.. imagine getting that 8/10 games.

Another way to spam mmr is to play offlane as axe/timber/bb/cent. Most of the times people pick squishy pos 3 without any initiation attributes.. so the heavy lifting transfers onto the carry into fights.

Anyway thanks for answering. Good tips

[Taweret]

is a team game if everything lose you cant win

Originally posted by spzHades:

Another way to spam mmr is to play offlane as axe/timber/bb/cent. Most of the times people pick squishy pos 3 without any initiation attributes.. so the heavy lifting transfers onto the carry into fights.

Anyway thanks for answering. Good tips

i used to climb with cent to crusader, from herald i think hes god tier offlaner in this rank, no way to lose lane, when i get hot hes basically unkillable.
but beastmaster can be also good since he has early push power with necronom and in early game can solo most of heroes, free vision is also great.
while i used to win my lane with timber and get fast bloodstone it doesnt matter, since in low ranks people just throw mindlessly. for example they throwed game when enemy core was opened because they went for kills (only 3 enemies were alive with their void dead) our wk had reincarnation, there was luna carry no one of them hit core, just bunch of idiots chasing for kills it really shows the skill level of this rank, people want just to brawl. i dont even know how they died when on enemy there was pudge, necro and someone else alive.

[Zagryzaec]

Originally posted by spzHades:

Well i can spam am/drow/wk/jug to get back above 4k mmr.. but i like diversity and i am not interested in that as i have 180/222 hero unlocks into cavern, and going aboive 4k would be hard on certain heroes even in turbo and i would punch myself.

Usually i do that.. but sometimes i get so much pressure.

I love playing pos 2/4 cause i am in the control of the game.

As a mid player i see rotation, my carry dies so does their mid tower -> more space for my carry and i can push other lanes
As a pos 4 i see rotation to my carry or mid i go help and make space.

In 3k bracket no one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ plays around carry. Mid afk farming.. invo having 0 assits in min 30.. much teamplay.

And i swear as a 52% winrate you get to play with such bad people against good players. The games are just unfair, you make no difference unless you are 2-3k above your bracket.

I was stuck in 2k for 200-300 games until i snowballed into 3500 then 4200mmr and now i;m down to 3300. And the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ i am getting in the games is unreal down from 4200. I was getting game after game where as a pos 1 i couldn't do ♥♥♥♥. Offlane and mid were lost so bad i was unable to do anything.. imagine getting that 8/10 games.

Another way to spam mmr is to play offlane as axe/timber/bb/cent. Most of the times people pick squishy pos 3 without any initiation attributes.. so the heavy lifting transfers onto the carry into fights.

Anyway thanks for answering. Good tips

That's pretty much it, pos1 doesn't decide anything but losing. And the higher mmr goes the less chance you have as pos1 to play if rest of the team cannot hold their roles.

You can try semicarry heroes/builds who don't need farm but feel well with it to have higher say in the outcome of the match. Clinkz is strong now. Pa with deso/no bf is a low farm high impact hero. Others that you know.

And yes we both know that you can't just pick any character and win. If you pick specific characters in ranked you are supposed to drop significantly below to your mmr level.

[OnlyFarm]

When i play as pos 1 , team pos 3 pick qop and pos2.4.5 pick int hero as well. And you know even 30k net diff, we still unable to push and losing the game onward

[41]

Good to hear your stories as a safelaner Hades. Hope you rank up again soon. It is hard to win safelane if the supports are not good. Sometimes i just tell myself to have a strong mind. A mind that does not break.

No i dont have any tips for you. I am at 2k mmr. I used to grind to legend 1 but its not happening now for whatever reason i dont know why the supports are not really good.

Hard to win a lane that is 2v1 when the people who pick supports pull jungle lane with full mana and full health.

Good luck to you Hades.

[Fenrir_El]

Originally posted by spzHades:

In 3k bracket no one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ plays around carry. Mid afk farming.. invo having 0 assits in min 30.. much teamplay.

Same, man. Actually when I play as carry, it's me who plays around my team. I would adjust my draft, build, items, map positioning, etc according to my teammates. I had a game where I build necromancer on PA, cause none of my supports wanted to buy any wards against techies.

The one thing I'd mention though. And when I played with ancients and legends, I noticed they have the same problem. ALMOST NO ONE COMMUNICATES. I bought a microphone and now I speak to my support and it's easier to win my lane. in mid-game, it's easier to group up and since I try to focus on objectives, we're usually faster than enemies in map movement. + It allows me to save my teammates by warning them constantly, e.g. "enemy mid spawns in 5 seconds, get back get back", etc. My friend is an ancient and he has zero trust in his team. He'd try to gank alone, farm alone, do things on his own and it always makes my job as a carry very hard, since because of him, supports and offlaner come to me, cause I am the 2nd strongest on our team ==> they take my farm, draw enemies to me.

So, yeah, try to communicate more with your team. Especially, when you get your powerspike. As soon as you get your items, start asking your team to smoke up and gather up and gank. Most of the time, people listen. (who doesn't like killing in-game)

[Fistraiser]

If you want to climb you first need to work on your attitude.your starting post already tells me that you have toxic attitude in games and that you like to blame team mates.
This needs to change or you will never learn from mistakes you make in games.
If you constantly lose games because of 'your 4 team mates' then that's not really true.you need to start watching replays of your own games and see where you messed up.

[Shadow Pool]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

If you want to climb you first need to work on your attitude.your starting post already tells me that you have toxic attitude in games and that you like to blame team mates.
This needs to change or you will never learn from mistakes you make in games.
If you constantly lose games because of 'your 4 team mates' then that's not really true.you need to start watching replays of your own games and see where you messed up.

I really don't know what i mess up as pos 1 when mid and offlane is lost so bad they have so much space to ♥♥♥♥ me up.

And yes i become toxic when mm just matches me 5 straight games as pos 1 and mid and offlane are just lost so bad they have free way to ♥♥♥♥ me all over the map.
I cool off playing pos 4/3/2 where i have better control over the game.

I was stuck in 2k and for 100-200 games or so i had a constant feeling i am not belonging to that bracket. My gameplay was way above that and i constantly lost.
I played most pos 5/4 and ocasionally 3/1.. until i got tired of that got fed up and tilted and moved mid.

I didn't stop from 2k till i reached 3300mmr or so... i had like 65-70% winrate and i was carrying games alone. And i was amazed of matchmaking working against you. I would get 1-2 easy games with good team, then 2 normal games and then the burden train comes where you just literally have to carry the game alone, you team just lose lanes even if you constantly gank and create space, they are so bad you have to carry the games alone for 2-3 games.. if you pass that you start climbing like a rocket until mm tests you again.

I still have the feeling i don't belong to this bracket i am now.. i still do mistakes especially when i am tilted.

In 4k+ mmr it felt more natural to me.. but i just got 8/10 games where like i said other lanes were lost so bad, i got into a bad mood and losing train started with big losestreaks.

In my journey i still think mm is pure garbage and it works against players. During my ascension i have encountered many 2k players that were way above their bracket but still stuck there.. and it's a shame.

I've got beaten by 2k players sometimes and i've dominated 5k players.. so i really don't understand mm anymore.


Anyway i guess this will pass once i finish cavern crawl and i start playing the meta again..
Drow/Jug/Wk/Am are >50% winrate material, or move mid again.

Another funny thing was i played pos 1 for a while and did bad.. losing 3k games bad.. then i played with some ancients/divine players games.. and i dominated as pos 1.. they just knew where to move on the map.. when to come to help me , when to gank, when to push, when to rotate, when to def. My role was so easy to play, they just knew that when i get deso/bkb on pa that's a powerspike without me guiding them.

[Shadow Pool]

Originally posted by No0ne:

Originally posted by spzHades:

In 3k bracket no one ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ plays around carry. Mid afk farming.. invo having 0 assits in min 30.. much teamplay.

Same, man. Actually when I play as carry, it's me who plays around my team. I would adjust my draft, build, items, map positioning, etc according to my teammates. I had a game where I build necromancer on PA, cause none of my supports wanted to buy any wards against techies.

The one thing I'd mention though. And when I played with ancients and legends, I noticed they have the same problem. ALMOST NO ONE COMMUNICATES. I bought a microphone and now I speak to my support and it's easier to win my lane. in mid-game, it's easier to group up and since I try to focus on objectives, we're usually faster than enemies in map movement. + It allows me to save my teammates by warning them constantly, e.g. "enemy mid spawns in 5 seconds, get back get back", etc. My friend is an ancient and he has zero trust in his team. He'd try to gank alone, farm alone, do things on his own and it always makes my job as a carry very hard, since because of him, supports and offlaner come to me, cause I am the 2nd strongest on our team ==> they take my farm, draw enemies to me.

So, yeah, try to communicate more with your team. Especially, when you get your powerspike. As soon as you get your items, start asking your team to smoke up and gather up and gank. Most of the time, people listen. (who doesn't like killing in-game)

I usually communicate through the chat wheel.

The only command that works the best is group up. The get back command doesn't seem to work.. and they just go die 1 by 1 out of position. Hard to beat that

[Ulthwé]

Legends don't play like divine. If you belong in higher bracket you will get there eventually the fact you post 1000+ mmr is already a sign that you don't belong in a higher mmr. You can still climb as long as you have 50+ winrate in ranked. But as soon as it reaches 50% you will have troubles winning more games and ranking up. Maybe you met your skill ceiling.

[***** games 2024]

In current patch - just hit creeps, joing ur teamfights when ur ulty is ready and then continue to hit creeps, repeat- win. Important, do not let to force u to fight if ur ulty / meta etc is not ready yet. This patch is the best patch for farming carry's.

[Shadow Pool]

Originally posted by Nagash:

Legends don't play like divine. If you belong in higher bracket you will get there eventually the fact you post 1000+ mmr is already a sign that you don't belong in a higher mmr. You can still climb as long as you have 50+ winrate in ranked. But as soon as it reaches 50% you will have troubles winning more games and ranking up. Maybe you met your skill ceiling.

Lost it playing cavern crawl. Pretty sure i will get back there again as i felt the gameplay there is better... but when i was climbing i felt i made a difference from losing or winning. After that like i said i felt like games were forced losses.. and my 2 other lanes were lost so bad.
Here i find something fishy..

Playing meta and carefully picking your hero already wins 50% of the game i guess.
A legend one trick pony 3 hero spammer can beat an ancient/divine that likes to diversify

[Ulthwé]

Originally posted by spzHades:

Originally posted by Nagash:

Legends don't play like divine. If you belong in higher bracket you will get there eventually the fact you post 1000+ mmr is already a sign that you don't belong in a higher mmr. You can still climb as long as you have 50+ winrate in ranked. But as soon as it reaches 50% you will have troubles winning more games and ranking up. Maybe you met your skill ceiling.

Lost it playing cavern crawl. Pretty sure i will get back there again as i felt the gameplay there is better... but when i was climbing i felt i made a difference from losing or winning. After that like i said i felt like games were forced losses.. and my 2 other lanes were lost so bad.
Here i find something fishy..

Playing meta and carefully picking your hero already wins 50% of the game i guess

It was a bad idea to do cavern in ranked, it is almost throwing...

[***** games 2024]

Lmao, why did u even start this discussion, if u played cawern heroes in ranked matches?