Does jungle provide too much of XP?

[swiftslash]

So yesterday i played a match that i was safe carry. I was bloodseeker and my support was dazzle. Enemy offlane was Wraith King and his support was dark seer. We won on that lane and they left us alone there. I had free farm like 15-20 minutes. I had all the last hits. But when Wraith King came out from jungle. He had gold advantage on me. Our level was equal and he carried the game with only jungle xp. So i ask does jungle provide too much of XP?

[Fistraiser]

No it doesnt.
Hero's like Wraith king just farm way faster than other hero's especially because of the skeletons.
Most likely even though you were free farming you weren't last hitting efficiently.
You gotta remember when you are killing creeps in waves you dont get the gold if your creeps last hit enemy creeps.
Wraith King scales better than bloodseeker anyway so the bigger question here is why your team let Wraith king free farm jungle/

[JesusHadAegis]

Originally posted by obl winter:

So yesterday i played a match that i was safe carry. I was bloodseeker and my support was dazzle. Enemy offlane was Wraith King and his support was dark seer. We won on that lane and they left us alone there. I had free farm like 15-20 minutes. I had all the last hits. But when Wraith King came out from jungle. He had gold advantage on me. Our level was equal and he carried the game with only jungle xp. So i ask does jungle provide too much of XP?

well, WK is a beast. your 20mins item and his 20mins item maybe equal but the different is hero.some hero can carry the game with 2 items and some hero need more item.

[Pookie]

Maybe darkseer does some stack for wk, like laning and killing camps

[Zagryzaec]

No, lane creeps provide more gold and exp then jungle unless stacks. Even if you are very efficient you will getote gold from lane then from jungle. However best way is to push lane as far as you can and then farm back through jungle and as lane is pushed to you farm lane again.

[Piromaru]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

No it doesnt.
Hero's like Wraith king just farm way faster than other hero's especially because of the skeletons.
Most likely even though you were free farming you weren't last hitting efficiently.
You gotta remember when you are killing creeps in waves you dont get the gold if your creeps last hit enemy creeps.
Wraith King scales better than bloodseeker anyway so the bigger question here is why your team let Wraith king free farm jungle/

Yeap, especially the last part.

Also if the WK was a Dire, they have ancient camp there and if the the Dark Seer(DS) stacked them it is like 2 waves of creeps.
Offlane DS can stack like X times of camps (x is the minutes of the game -1 ) on the Ward Hill in their triangle with his vacuum skill

this is a bit over exaggerated, but in normal game it is like 7-8 camps in minute 10:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iCb1XPzyXU

[tom]

Originally posted by obl winter:

I had free farm like 15-20 minutes. I had all the last hits.

i think having only all the last hits in a lane past 10 min is not good.
you should be getting all lane last hits AND the camps close to the lane at that point, or even better, go take kills.

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by Paskaani:

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

No it doesnt.
Hero's like Wraith king just farm way faster than other hero's especially because of the skeletons.
Most likely even though you were free farming you weren't last hitting efficiently.
You gotta remember when you are killing creeps in waves you dont get the gold if your creeps last hit enemy creeps.
Wraith King scales better than bloodseeker anyway so the bigger question here is why your team let Wraith king free farm jungle/

He still gets the xp and thats what he's asking about

I know you get the xp but he commented that wk had more gold than him which would imply he wasnt last hitting a lot of the creeps.
And i explain why wk was gaining same amount of xp.
You could have tried to help the op with question instead of looking for someone elses posts to make condesending comments on.

[y]

Theres a handful of heroes who can jungle effectively. The point is that if youre jungling, youre not pressuring enemy WHATSOEVER. So if the game isnt going great for your team, you flat out lose. You cant always jungle. Jungle is either a last resort, or you jungle because offlane pick wants to be solo. The only heroes worth jungling are np, wk, legion, sven and only if the game allows it.

[Piromaru]

Originally posted by Piromaru:

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

No it doesnt.
Hero's like Wraith king just farm way faster than other hero's especially because of the skeletons.
Most likely even though you were free farming you weren't last hitting efficiently.
You gotta remember when you are killing creeps in waves you dont get the gold if your creeps last hit enemy creeps.
Wraith King scales better than bloodseeker anyway so the bigger question here is why your team let Wraith king free farm jungle/

Yeap, especially the last part.

Also if the WK was a Dire, they have ancient camp there and if the the Dark Seer(DS) stacked them it is like 2 waves of creeps.
Offlane DS can stack like X times of camps (x is the minutes of the game -1 ) on the Ward Hill in their triangle with his vacuum skill

this is a bit over exaggerated, but in normal game it is like 7-8 camps in minute 10:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iCb1XPzyXU

Or...or...or just simply watch the replay and see what the WK did and compare it with what you did

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by tom:

Originally posted by obl winter:

I had free farm like 15-20 minutes. I had all the last hits.

i think having only all the last hits in a lane past 10 min is not good.
you should be getting all lane last hits AND the camps close to the lane at that point, or even better, go take kills.

I'd add they should have taken down the t1 fast if it was an easy lane like that.The get your supports to ward the farm triangle beside it.If wk was there gank him.If not pressure the other lanes.
Especially with dazzle seeker combo you can push their lane really easy.
It would force WK to jungle on other side of map or possibly pull him out of jungle early to defend lane.

[SiEgE]

Originally posted by obl winter:

So yesterday i played a match that i was safe carry. I was bloodseeker and my support was dazzle. Enemy offlane was Wraith King and his support was dark seer. We won on that lane and they left us alone there. I had free farm like 15-20 minutes. I had all the last hits. But when Wraith King came out from jungle. He had gold advantage on me. Our level was equal and he carried the game with only jungle xp. So i ask does jungle provide too much of XP?

Depends on the farming speed. If you're farming like a mf, without ever giving it a break for healing, with a decent start damage, you're gonna outfarm any non-solo lane in a jiffy. Pretty sure a solo lane will also be outfarmed at some point. The main problem is not each jungler is capable of being this consistent with clearing out jungling spots. But, nonetheless, jungle is very rich with gold and exp, until a certain point in the game, when killing enemies and farming ancients will become an even better farming source.