Role queue = Play something you dont want to play so you can play what you want 4 times.

[Gamnog]

When will Valve ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ realize that some ppl hate playing other roles.
Why have they removed slow queue? I didn´t mind waiting 10 mins so I could play my role.
Role queue is some law its not anarchy like in normal queue.

I genuinely hate playing supports so that I can play 4 times safe lane. It´s becouse I dont enjoy playing support I´m not good at it and my carry 90% of time doesn´t know basics of what he should do.

So can somebody explain me why Valve decided to force player to play something they dont want to play. Gaming is supposed to be fun so why you force me to take 40 min of pain for maybe 3 hours of some joy? Not taking that the people who are having their pain time will ruin my game bcs they are bored and in pain bcs they have to play role they don´t want to.

This is second biggest problem for new player.
Dealing with toxic community and fact that the game doesn´t have any rules outside role queue. And to get to role queue you have to do something you dont want and when you finally get in somebody else who has to do something he don´t want to do.

Thanks

[Gamnog]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από garmfield:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Gamnog:

So again.

This was just about why they removed slow queue in Role queue.

In that 90% I meant things like blocking 1st lane of creeps even when you see enemy offlaner isn´t blocking. Having no clue about lane management, not talking about creep agro. And ofcourse thinking that kill are always better than creeps.

And yes. By the statistics I´m better on carry role than average player in my ranked bracket so I think that when I play carry is justified.

You are just a crap archon like me. Go play your support games like a fricking decent support player so you can get your tokens or deal with people that want to play carry as well in classic ranked. You are not a special cookie that deserve to always have your way.

Love to have people like you in my games. Always so self centered and always wanting to be the star. Screw everyone in your team right? It's all about mister carry player here that is too good to play support.

Well

If players weren´t force to play what they don ´t want to. You wouldn´t have so called player like me in your games.

[Pepega]

Classic ranked is a mess now, 50% of games you have jungler or "feed or mid" guy.
Ranked roles is much better but forcing someone to play supp is bad idea cause most of cores who play supp they don't care and mostly they are bad at supporting and picking cores as support or something like Pudge/WR and just ruin the game. In my games when I see bad pick i report this people straight away for not play their role.

[【Silver】]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Gamnog:

If players weren´t force to play what they don ´t want to. You wouldn´t have so called player like me in your games.

Yeah, Dota doesn't do this. The playerbase does. You aren't being forced to really do anything here. You have your options. League can get away with the crappy role queue thing because they have a large casual play base. Dota can't really follow that because the amount of people willing to actually wait out hour or so long queues will turn off players from the game, even if they claim it's 'what they want.' especially if the games end up being crap one way or another. Assuming that players will just naturally be good because they're playing the role they picked is baseless as well. You said yourself that you were better than most of your rank, except honestly a large majority of the playerbase play like they're barely even starting elo from a decade ago's ranking systems...

[Gamnog]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από 【Silver】:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Gamnog:

If players weren´t force to play what they don ´t want to. You wouldn´t have so called player like me in your games.

Yeah, Dota doesn't do this. The playerbase does. You aren't being forced to really do anything here. You have your options. League can get away with the crappy role queue thing because they have a large casual play base. Dota can't really follow that because the amount of people willing to actually wait out hour or so long queues will turn off players from the game, even if they claim it's 'what they want.' especially if the games end up being crap one way or another. Assuming that players will just naturally be good because they're playing the role they picked is baseless as well. You said yourself that you were better than most of your rank, except honestly a large majority of the playerbase play like they're barely even starting elo from a decade ago's ranking systems...

Sure thing.

But still. That system existed and worked. But Valve removed slow Ranked queue.
And even at that time the max wait time was around 10 mins.

[Absche]

Dota developers try to arrange for a lineup the community doesn‘t appreciate in a certain skill bracket. I would leave it to the team to solve the dilemma but valve tried the enforce it by ranked roles to give solo players a low social friction experience.

I would appreciate if Valve would enhance the gaming experience for supports instead of forcing people to play a low gaming experience role.

[Will Bang]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Card Gamer:

I would appreciate if Valve would enhance the gaming experience for supports instead of forcing people to play a low gaming experience role.

They did try, though. Observer wards are free, and their destruction gold is given to the player that placed the sentry ward instead of last hits. Then there's also the gold payout simply for assisting in fights, and neutral creep items providing at least something for Hard Supports.

That won't ever change supports being the sidekick role, though. The Robin to the Carry Batman.

[GIGACHAD 💪]

pro support is better carry than pro carry :)

What I am trying to say is that you have no idea how to play the game. You blame others when you suck at the game.

Second, you can pick any hero you want as 4 or 5 as loing as you get wards and aura items (pipe, vlads and etc) especially in low priority

[Will Bang]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από WVERA:

Second, you can pick any hero you want as 4 or 5 as loing as you get wards and aura items (pipe, vlads and etc) especially in low priority

Pro Support also means giving last hits (inc. enemy heroes) to the team carrys.

[Aria]

Just get a 3 or 5 men stack with a support player; thats the best solution for u. And also, u dont need to moan that much about not being able to play the role u want

[HummingSoul]

So that there actually someone that want to play support?,imagine if all people can just pick mid or safelane all the time without an restriction,there would be almost no support,because surprise suprise most people dont enjoy playing support,especially in the sea server,and without support u couldnt play the game properly

[tom]

when will people like op realize that if everybody was like him, the game would be unplayable witouth revmapping the whole game into either 1v1 mid only, 3v3 or 5lanes map?

[Aria]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HummingSoul:

So that there actually someone that want to play support?,imagine if all people can just pick mid or safelane all the time without an restriction,there would be almost no support,because surprise suprise most people dont enjoy playing support,especially in the sea server,and without support u couldnt play the game properly

I know some players that refuse to play any other role than support but yeah that is the minority of the player base.

[Absche]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Will Bang:

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Card Gamer:

I would appreciate if Valve would enhance the gaming experience for supports instead of forcing people to play a low gaming experience role.

They did try, though. Observer wards are free, and their destruction gold is given to the player that placed the sentry ward instead of last hits. Then there's also the gold payout simply for assisting in fights, and neutral creep items providing at least something for Hard Supports.

That won't ever change supports being the sidekick role, though. The Robin to the Carry Batman.

You consider warding as fun? If at least they would publish a vision reward on the summary screen something like vision area x time. Or they would have a announcer for mega vision or sight rampage. But those audial or visual effects are only for typical carry stats.

[BossGalaga]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από Gamnog:

When will Valve ♥♥♥♥ing realize that some ppl hate playing other roles.
Why have they removed slow queue? I didn´t mind waiting 10 mins so I could play my role.
Role queue is some law its not anarchy like in normal queue.

I genuinely hate playing supports so that I can play 4 times safe lane. It´s becouse I dont enjoy playing support I´m not good at it and my carry 90% of time doesn´t know basics of what he should do.

So can somebody explain me why Valve decided to force player to play something they dont want to play. Gaming is supposed to be fun so why you force me to take 40 min of pain for maybe 3 hours of some joy? Not taking that the people who are having their pain time will ruin my game bcs they are bored and in pain bcs they have to play role they don´t want to.

This is second biggest problem for new player.
Dealing with toxic community and fact that the game doesn´t have any rules outside role queue. And to get to role queue you have to do something you dont want and when you finally get in somebody else who has to do something he don´t want to do.

Thanks

Role queue doesn't work when 99% of people want to queue for carry/mid. If that's too much of an inconvenience for you then you can just play classic ranked or you can even join or create your own party. And referring to playing a support role, especially when there are so many support heroes and playstyles for them available as "40 min of pain durrrr" is just a tad bit melodramatic, don't you think? Your last game was a 0/8 Spectre so maybe some practice as support would help you out a bit?

[【Silver】]

Αναρτήθηκε αρχικά από HummingSoul:

So that there actually someone that want to play support?,imagine if all people can just pick mid or safelane all the time without an restriction,there would be almost no support,because surprise suprise most people dont enjoy playing support,especially in the sea server,and without support u couldnt play the game properly

If this was League, I'd absolutely enjoy Support, but having a teammate who's bad with support/adc in that game ruined me being able to play ADC or Support. So I went mid with my 'Support' Champions. The community nor did Riot like this, so they nerfed the 'support' champions who could mid strongly into oblivion.

Since Valve really wants the game to become LoL 2, why not make some of the changes Riot does to their 'Supports' the way they do? Give 'Support' heroes an item that can put observer wards on the map with a limit to how many can be out at a time and what not. I mean if players don't want to just get better at the game, why make it harder for them? Just make the game LoL 2 and give the community what they want.