WTF is with this new Support Sniper crap?

[Agent Frank Horrigan]

I don't get it. Who thought it was a good Idea to do pos 4 or 5 sniper? Sniper has literally no support abilities. From what I've seen, people think because when sniper gets scepter, he has a stun with his ult. And they say, "oH, tHaT's VeRy SuPpOrTy!! I'm GoNnA dO a SuPpOrT sNiPeR!!1!!1" He has 2 passives that only help himself. The only ability that sort-of helps his team is his Shrapnel and his ult with scepter. And he needs scepter or he can't really support. There are WAY better picks for support then sniper. Heck, even Dragon Knight would make a better support then him. The supports with stuns that are way better are, Witch Doctor, Elder Titan, Earth Spirit, Shadow Shaman, Lion, Lina, Crystal Maiden, etc. Why the hell would you pick sniper over these amazing supports that do the job way better? Please, stop with this support sniper crap. It doesn't work. Pick a real support. Stop trying to prove that you can make a level 3 carry a support.

[Agent Frank Horrigan]

Originally posted by SGT_pawn:

The noobs, who mained sniper, cried their hero could only be played one way. Instead of learning a new hero, or heros, or even a new build, they decided to cry.

That's my take on it, cause sniper had his "role" (newbie auto attacker) he didnt need anything else. You learn a hero, move on, learn another.

Exactly

[BanyaPivoChapman]

yeah, all the immortals and divines doing support or offlane sniper must be noobs. sure :)

[wtf]

Sniper in good hands is very good support
You just need to know HOW

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by ⱭⱤΛӼ:

WTF is with this new Support Sniper crap?

It's not "new" and the answer is, because they feel like it.

[Agent Frank Horrigan]

Originally posted by Киса:

Sniper in good hands is very good support
You just need to know HOW

How is he a good support when there are a bunch of heroes that can do it way better then him?

[Freaky]

Unlike Hard Support, the Support Role POS 4 is an optional one to round the team. Remember pos 4 jungle?

Previously before the whole bounty runes patch it was common to have pure support roles play pos 4 due to the map dynamic and farm potential. Since the new patches supports now get way more gold than they used to get before, they also get gold for stacking which they previously did not.

Since there is a newfound infusion of gold twoards pos 4 and 5 the meta drifted twoards the massive benefit gained for having a 4th core develop slowly during the 25-35 minutes of the game.

Since recently few games end quickly due to the buff on towers the core pos 4 has become slowly the new meta.

Few heroes scale hard and are able to farm from a last priority position.

Some of them are pos 4 QoP, Venge, Sniper, WK and a few others. This in turn puts much of the usual supporting on to the pos 5, which solo supporting isn't a new thing in dota and with the new influx of gold the supports get, is quite comfortably done.

A well executed sniper will become a 4'th core in a team, providing massive damage output and turning the lategame in your favour. His massive range and ability to stun from incredible range, allows him to interrupt dangerous channeling spells or catch a fleeting enemy. This allows the other 3 cores to go supper aggresive and give the enemy massive pressure to kill the sniper first and if they do he was still a pos 4 there are 3 other cores rampaging your team.

This strat comes with drawbacks ofc, you are very weak early and it requires a core mindset to play pos4, most support players do not have and so they fail to farm or act as a core lategame, greatly diminishing the impact they were suppose to have.

And sometimes game is just hard and you get stomped with a pos 4 core. Its not a win all strat, but it does have massive impact if executed correctly.

Sometimes the best defence is more offence!

[STOUT SHAKO FOR 2 REFINED]

Should agree. Meta changes.

Also with 1 skill sniper can now stack camps for 3 pos core or farm them himself.

[y]

Originally posted by HATEPARDAS:

yeah, all the immortals and divines doing support or offlane sniper must be noobs. sure :)

They are and the games are much harder for their team having a useless sup rushing aghs to have a long range stun lol. i say uselss sup cuz tahts what sup mains are. It would only work if a core player did that as pos 4. Filthy sup players, failed core so they slithered to support roles. Incompetent fools. Why cant you play all roles equally well. That kind of player is invaluable.

[Duchess Minty]

Originally posted by ⱭⱤΛӼ:

How is he a good support when there are a bunch of heroes that can do it way better then him?

How is a 3k range stun that gives true sight over the target before stunning not good though?

[Agent Frank Horrigan]

Originally posted by Lady Mint:

Originally posted by ⱭⱤΛӼ:

How is he a good support when there are a bunch of heroes that can do it way better then him?

How is a 3k range stun that gives true sight over the target before stunning not good though?

I didnt say it was bad, I said that there are other heroes that have way better stuns that don't need to rush a 4,200 gold scepter. Why not just get it on a normal sniper?

[76561198254664586]

Don't respond to this guy called Lady Mint he is a troll.

[Fistraiser]

Im guessing OP is herald player.

[Agent Frank Horrigan]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Im guessing OP is herald player.

Judging how your PF is private, you don't get a say in this. Im going to say it again. Why pick sniper over a support hero that can do the job of supporting better then sniper? Just because he has a stun, doesn't mean he can support. He has to rush a 4,200 gold scepter to be useful. What happens when he is not getting the gold he needs? A useless sniper with abilities that only help himself. Its better to get it on a carry sniper. Same results, and not useless for the first 20-30 min of the game. Next time, please provide a valid argument instead of just assuming I'm a low rank because I have an opinion.

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by ⱭⱤΛӼ:

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Im guessing OP is herald player.

Judging how your PF is private, you don't get a say in this. Im going to say it again. Why pick sniper over a support hero that can do the job of supporting better then sniper? Just because he has a stun, doesn't mean he can support. He has to rush a 4,200 gold scepter to be useful. What happens when he is not getting the gold he needs? A useless sniper with abilities that only help himself. Its better to get it on a carry sniper. Same results, and not useless for the first 20-30 min of the game. Next time, please provide a valid argument instead of just assuming I'm a low rank because I have an opinion.

Well, you're complaining about noobs playing sniper which is probably why people are assuming that you're low mmr. But I don't think people are digging on you because of that but because "support sniper bad" isn't exactly a novel announcement not to mention...there are still even worse core/carry heroes to play as supports.

[Agent Frank Horrigan]

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

Originally posted by ⱭⱤΛӼ:

Judging how your PF is private, you don't get a say in this. Im going to say it again. Why pick sniper over a support hero that can do the job of supporting better then sniper? Just because he has a stun, doesn't mean he can support. He has to rush a 4,200 gold scepter to be useful. What happens when he is not getting the gold he needs? A useless sniper with abilities that only help himself. Its better to get it on a carry sniper. Same results, and not useless for the first 20-30 min of the game. Next time, please provide a valid argument instead of just assuming I'm a low rank because I have an opinion.

Well, you're complaining about noobs playing sniper which is probably why people are assuming that you're low mmr. But I don't think people are digging on you because of that but because "support sniper bad" isn't exactly a novel announcement not to mention...there are still even worse core/carry heroes to play as supports.

True.
I have only seen one of these in a game and I have seen a few attempts to pick him for support but convince them to not do it. I'm mostly playing Normal Matches to grind my Cavern and BP levels cause it's easyer to do it in a Normal Match then ranked. I have not played ranked much because I'm trying to get my BP level higher faster. Also, I don't do Turbo because I hate Turbo. I'm just confused why people think its good.