BLOCKING JUNGLE WITH WARD

[YUℝℕEℝ0]

There are times when 1 of our teammates rage and trying to feed but not really feeding them,in fact they block our jungle with sentry or obs,how can we destroy our own ward in order for us to farm in our jungle? pls help..THIS IS SEA BTW

[Zagryzaec]

Actually good question. Sometimes you attack your own wards by mistake and other times you cannot attack your wards blocking spots. How does it works?

[Kiss Ur Boyfriend⁶⁹]

you can only destroy your own ward.

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[Sotj]

Originally posted by SGT_pawn:

They are not trolling, these players are just trying to help you, help them. It's sad they must ward your jungle, so you stop farming.

They have no other choice, stop farming, and start helping. This is Dota, it might seem like the players are angry or trolling, but they are trying to help.

I used to make fun of peoples items, because I wanted them to get the right ones, and i'd tell them what the right items were. After i was done making fun of them. I dont do that anymore, I just stay silent.

You cant force people to stop farming and join the team. I play unranked games and many times my team is just horrible and even we are like 15-0 losing they want to go push. Well I guess we would lose the game faster if we just go feed more, but I'd like to even try making it to lategame and have small chance to come back. Also those wards are needed to have vision for team fights, if you just waste all wards for jungle, you'll have to fight next fight blinded even if farmer would join the team.

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Originally posted by ◙:

There are times when 1 of our teammates rage and trying to feed but not really feeding them,in fact they block our jungle with sentry or obs,how can we destroy our own ward in order for us to farm in our jungle? pls help..THIS IS SEA BTW

if its the first time someone did that in the history of all ur games then dont complain about it :P gl hf

[Dark Sun Gwyndolin]

As frustrating as it is when a salty teammate blocks your own camps because 'stop farming n00b', I can't think of any solution that wouldn't just replace it with new forms of abuse. Allowing players to freely deny ally wards would just create an even worse form of trolling; bad carries would deny valid wards to 'punish' the support for not placing wards exactly where they want. The obvious solution would be to make ally wards deniable if they're blocking a camp, but even that has problems. Blocking camps in the enemy jungle is almost always good, and blocking camps in the ally jungle is almost always bad, but there are exceptions. The biggest one is the large camp near the T1 side lanes. Which team wants to pull, and which team wants to block, depends entirely on where the lane equilibrium is. If the lane is pushing out, you want to pull it, and if it's pushing in, you want to block it, REGARDLESS of whether you are playing offlane or safelane.

This could create a problem even worse than ally camp blocking. As it stands, someone who blocks ally camps is blatantly in the wrong, and will likely be reported by his whole team. However, if ally wards can be denied, that could create a conflict over the large camp; where one player thinks it should be blocked, and the other player thinks it should be stacked / pulled. This would result in a player conflict EVEN THOUGH BOTH PLAYERS ARE TRYING TO WIN, which is far more insidiously disruptive to teamplay than trolling, as neither player is 'wrong'.

Remember, if someone wants to throw, they are going to find a way to do so, no matter what barriers you put in their path. However, trying too hard to patch trolling will either create new forms of trolling (which doesn't fix anything), restrict legitimate play (which is absurd; games shouldn't be balanced around the assumption that one of the players might throw a hissy fit), or create new forms of conflict (the worst of all, as it can cause two legit players to fight).

[Super_Idol]

Originally posted by SGT_pawn:

They are not trolling, these players are just trying to help you, help them. It's sad they must ward your jungle, so you stop farming.

They have no other choice, stop farming, and start helping. This is Dota, it might seem like the players are angry or trolling, but they are trying to help.

I used to make fun of peoples items, because I wanted them to get the right ones, and i'd tell them what the right items were. After i was done making fun of them. I dont do that anymore, I just stay silent, because of how the report system works. If you talk, you get LP.

but depend on the situation, if u hard carry and behind 4k networth from enemies cores nothing can be done and instead of help u will die and dont hv chance to comeback, team should buy space and gv time carry to farm, if want to help better ward properly, push the creep, smoke w4 etc to buy space
those ppl just trollling bcs they die a lot as supp and dont want die alone, core must die too or "core die is okay but i wont die bcs my score looks bad", 2k scrub mindset
if ur team winning and stomping then ur carry's fault for not joining
so depend what kind of situation but buy ward to block camp while u hv space is ret4rd move

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Originally posted by ◙:

There are times when 1 of our teammates rage and trying to feed but not really feeding them,in fact they block our jungle with sentry or obs,how can we destroy our own ward in order for us to farm in our jungle? pls help..THIS IS SEA BTW

The easiest solution is motivate your team to start rotating on the other side of the map. The idiot wards all Radiant camps by ancient? Motivate your team to steal the top outpost and farm the camps on Dire side....that way when the enemy is forced to rotate towards bottom all their camps will be blocked and they will tilt/waste money themselves to deward and free the camps for you.

It actually isn't that big of a deal if you understand how to find open farm and rotate. Sure sometimes it is game breaking, but more so people just tilt themselves out and think OMG THERE IS NO SOLUTION.....when in reality.....there are solutions.

[YUℝℕEℝ0]

SGT_pawn ,you are playing as AM,and in order to join fights u need items right,minimum manta atleast,and if u cant farm how will u do?obviously u will go jungle in the safe spot,then after that one of your teammates start blocking the camp because ure team lost 1 or 2 fights and u didnt join,(coz u need item ofc)and you are forced to farm in lane and then u die,,then they blame you,,"noob carry",,still u are going to say they are not trolling???,,have u ever played in SEA?do you how toxic it is for normal people to play? pls reply

[Natius]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

THIS IS SEA BTW

only 1 camp blocked right? you are support? why not stack ancient camp?
If your carry still crying, try to make him trust you,if fail learn from your mistake

[Natius]

Originally posted by ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥:

SGT_pawn ,you are playing as AM,and in order to join fights u need items right,minimum manta atleast,and if u cant farm how will u do?obviously u will go jungle in the safe spot,then after that one of your teammates start blocking the camp because ure team lost 1 or 2 fights and u didnt join,(coz u need item ofc)and you are forced to farm in lane and then u die,,then they blame you,,"noob carry",,still u are going to say they are not trolling???,,have u ever played in SEA?do you how toxic it is for normal people to play? pls reply

are you carry or support? so far i see you speaking like playing support
You can't do anything except motivate your carry to do better
other than you can't, accept losses
i know that feel,i ever do something like that, i sacrifice my exp (btw im support) to stack as many camp (especially ancient and put some ward near ancient camp)

[eris]

Originally posted by SGT_pawn:

They are not trolling, these players are just trying to help you, help them. It's sad they must ward your jungle, so you stop farming.

They have no other choice, stop farming, and start helping. This is Dota, it might seem like the players are angry or trolling, but they are trying to help.

Regardless of your intent or your reasons behind doing so, you are still hindering your team by removing their safe farm from the game just because you got upset with them. I find myself in many games where my cores would rather jungle when the enemy is down 4 heroes. I find myself begging my team in these games to take these very easy towers and they just afk farm and we lose.

What happens if you block all of your safe farm? They'll get greedy and try to take very risky farm in pushed lanes and the enemy jungle and they're willing to die for it. Players that are hellbent on farming will farm no matter what. All that is accomplished by blocking jungle camps from your carries is you are now the reason they can't get items.

I'm all for my cores grouping with me and helping around the map, it's awesome when they are helpful, but it's best asked nicely and with encouragement. Example: "Hey void, can you group with us? Your chrono is up and we can easily take a fight and a tower." Something along those lines usually gets someone moving in my experience. If a fight goes well, tell your core they did a good job. If it went bad, don't blame them.

[Ulthwé]

I do block ally camps sometimes. Especially against brood, am, Naga. Because my team doesn't protect these camps 3/4 of the time this farm goes to an enemy. Still they will find a way to blame you whereas you prevented an early radiance on Naga or Brood taking mid rax at minute 20. People blame me for these blocks but I know what I'm doing. Since then I must say I don't always trust people who say it was wars griefing. And a last thing, to carry players, if you think you farming to maybe win the late game fail most of the time because you will never outfarm a team that controls the map, and you leave your team alone during team right including teamfights under t3 or t4

[SiEgE]

Originally posted by Miaou:

I do block ally camps sometimes. Especially against brood, am, Naga. Because my team doesn't protect these camps 3/4 of the time this farm goes to an enemy. Still they will find a way to blame you whereas you prevented an early radiance on Naga or Brood taking mid rax at minute 20. People blame me for these blocks but I know what I'm doing. Since then I must say I don't always trust people who say it was wars griefing. And a last thing, to carry players, if you think you farming to maybe win the late game fail most of the time because you will never outfarm a team that controls the map, and you leave your team alone during team right including teamfights under t3 or t4

You better not do that. That is a pro move that only people you'd play in team would recognize. Otherwise - never do that. It is literally a report bait.
Also, if people can't punish brood or an AM, them you better allow the steamroll.

[Ulthwé]

Originally posted by SiEgE:

Originally posted by Miaou:

I do block ally camps sometimes. Especially against brood, am, Naga. Because my team doesn't protect these camps 3/4 of the time this farm goes to an enemy. Still they will find a way to blame you whereas you prevented an early radiance on Naga or Brood taking mid rax at minute 20. People blame me for these blocks but I know what I'm doing. Since then I must say I don't always trust people who say it was wars griefing. And a last thing, to carry players, if you think you farming to maybe win the late game fail most of the time because you will never outfarm a team that controls the map, and you leave your team alone during team right including teamfights under t3 or t4

You better not do that. That is a pro move that only people you'd play in team would recognize. Otherwise - never do that.

I will keep doing it if it is one of my few chances to stop a hero from snowballing especially the 2 radiant and dire side mid camps which are often chain farmed by a dominating mid. With 10k behaviour score, I have 0 worry about these reports, especially because if they report me because they don't understand it was necessary I can easily be they already wasted their reports in previous games.