What do you get for denying creeps?

[Meat Machine]

A month or two ago, you got a small fraction of the gold bounty. Before that, it was about 30% of the xp. But when I get creep denies now, I don't notice any gold or xp... what, if anything, do you gain from denying, other than preventing your enemies from last-hitting?

[shit]

Enemy gets only half of the xp and obviously no gold

[Zagryzaec]

Actually I'm sure they did it in response to mass complain that matchmaking is unbalanced due to constant stomps, so they decided to reduce gap between expirienced players and noobs by reducing advantage winning team gets in lane.

Now if all your creeps are denied and you stay solo in lane touching nothing you get as much exp as if you were in double lane and lasthitted every single creep.

Actually pretty sad.

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[Meat Machine]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Actually I'm sure they did it in response to mass complain that matchmaking is unbalanced due to constant stomps, so they decided to reduce gap between expirienced players and noobs by reducing advantage winning team gets in lane.

Now if all your creeps are denied and you stay solo in lane touching nothing you get as much exp as if you were in double lane and lasthitted every single creep.

Actually pretty sad.

That'd explain how the solo Spectre me and a teammate bullied and denied still ended up 3 levels ahead of us.

Originally posted by SGT_pawn:

You get, a less farmed enemy.

I heard the "carry" players were crying their "supports" were taking denies (you know, so the "carry" could last hit the creeps that were worth more)

So Valve changed the deny system back, that's what I heard.

As someone who almost exclusively plays support, I always enjoyed skimming a few extra gold from denying creeps; other than stacking camps and killing the occasional neutral or straggler creep (or succeeding in a gank), it was my only income in the early game. Carries seemed to be very bothered about that, because they'd quite often miss an enemy creep kill to land a deny that I was going for.

When teammates are in-fighting over table scraps, I can see why Valve changed it.

[Ulthwé]

Originally posted by Paskaani:

Enemy gets only half of the xp and obviously no gold

It is actually 40% exp denied.

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Originally posted by Miaou:

Originally posted by Paskaani:

Enemy gets only half of the xp and obviously no gold

It is actually 40% exp denied.

Check 7.26b

[Ulthwé]

Originally posted by Bombardy:

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Actually I'm sure they did it in response to mass complain that matchmaking is unbalanced due to constant stomps, so they decided to reduce gap between expirienced players and noobs by reducing advantage winning team gets in lane.

Now if all your creeps are denied and you stay solo in lane touching nothing you get as much exp as if you were in double lane and lasthitted every single creep.

Actually pretty sad.

That'd explain how the solo Spectre me and a teammate bullied and denied still ended up 3 levels ahead of us.

Originally posted by SGT_pawn:

You get, a less farmed enemy.

I heard the "carry" players were crying their "supports" were taking denies (you know, so the "carry" could last hit the creeps that were worth more)

So Valve changed the deny system back, that's what I heard.

As someone who almost exclusively plays support, I always enjoyed skimming a few extra gold from denying creeps; other than stacking camps and killing the occasional neutral or straggler creep (or succeeding in a gank), it was my only income in the early game. Carries seemed to be very bothered about that, because they'd quite often miss an enemy creep kill to land a deny that I was going for.

When teammates are in-fighting over table scraps, I can see why Valve changed it.

Solo spectre is weak, you should be able to denie most of the creeps and even pull sometimes, how come he gets +3 lvl with 50% denied xp? You didn't deny enough I guess, he should barely be same lvl as your carry.

Many carries are stupid and greedy instead and they wanted all last hits and denies, that's why I'm glad they changed it, because it made me angry when my carries missed half the last hits to get denies, because he is too dumb do learn it gives less gold. Carries still do this mistake now that denying doesn't give gold anymore...

[Ulthwé]

Originally posted by Paskaani:

Originally posted by Miaou:

It is actually 40% exp denied.

Check 7.26b

I misread indeed, you are right, it is 50%.