A bit of talk about MEKANSM

[PenjelmaanKatak]

Were gonna talk about mekansm. Heroes that use it as a core, comparison, weaknesses, strengths, bugs, nerfs, buffs, balance, thoughts, suggestions, ideas, and etc. Title is pretty self-explanatory. Experienced players only pls.

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Mekansm is no longer what it used to be. Sure if your going for greaves then it is a must, but as a stand alone item it has fallen off. It used to be a must in almost every game, but now even in pro games most teams do not go for it unless they have a viper or smth, or building into greaves. The window for mekansm is just akward, and there are a lot of other good items that are just as good if not better. Compare it to a force staff... Late game mekanism turns into trash while a force staff shines. If - greaves then good, if not then trash except a very few heroes/situations. This is due to the increased item pool, and an increase in gold earned.

Edit: Mek can be good if you have a early push draft and can get it fast.

[D. Igne Natura Renovatur Integra]

☣ cyberpinoy ☣ の投稿を引用：

graystripe の投稿を引用：

which do you think is better????

mekansm or pipe of insight?????

I think that would depend on your enemy, I tried pipe and it wasnt as beneficial for me or my team, Meck has always been the better choice for me.

Pipe always after mek, the heal can swing more.

[D. Igne Natura Renovatur Integra]

OH NO! it's him again! の投稿を引用：

Mekansm is no longer what it used to be. Sure if your going for greaves then it is a must, but as a stand alone item it has fallen off. It used to be a must in almost every game, but now even in pro games most teams do not go for it unless they have a viper or smth, or building into greaves. The window for mekansm is just akward, and there are a lot of other good items that are just as good if not better. Compare it to a force staff... Late game mekanism turns into trash while a force staff shines. If - greaves then good, if not then trash except a very few heroes/situations. This is due to the increased item pool, and an increase in gold earned.

ARMOR!! Underlor, Necrophos? dazzle

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👻 の投稿を引用：

buy it on meepo if fat..for greaves and could also buy booty of travel .2 boots no probs...
hard to kill and crazy push,add it up with crimson

no, don't go mek on meepo. ever.

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-DI-FerynaCZ の投稿を引用：

OH NO! it's him again! の投稿を引用：

Mekansm is no longer what it used to be. Sure if your going for greaves then it is a must, but as a stand alone item it has fallen off. It used to be a must in almost every game, but now even in pro games most teams do not go for it unless they have a viper or smth, or building into greaves. The window for mekansm is just akward, and there are a lot of other good items that are just as good if not better. Compare it to a force staff... Late game mekanism turns into trash while a force staff shines. If - greaves then good, if not then trash except a very few heroes/situations. This is due to the increased item pool, and an increase in gold earned.

ARMOR!! Underlor, Necrophos? dazzle

Are you talking about that +2 armour? lol, give me a break. You get the mek for the burst heal not the armour. Sure you can combine it with certain effects, but +2 is nothing. It could be somerthing early game, but the problem is that mek usually comes online late early/mid game. At that stage +2 armour is trash.

[Deepbluediver]

OH NO! it's him again! の投稿を引用：

Mekansm is no longer what it used to be. Sure if your going for greaves then it is a must, but as a stand alone item it has fallen off. It used to be a must in almost every game, but now even in pro games most teams do not go for it unless they have a viper or smth, or building into greaves. The window for mekansm is just akward, and there are a lot of other good items that are just as good if not better. Compare it to a force staff... Late game mekanism turns into trash while a force staff shines. If - greaves then good, if not then trash except a very few heroes/situations. This is due to the increased item pool, and an increase in gold earned.

Yeah, but I'd say that in pro-matches the early and mid game is much more important than in many pub matches. Pro teams rarely seem to drag things out to the point where a hard carry will get 6 slotted.

[lulborne]

OH NO! it's him again! の投稿を引用：

Mekansm is no longer what it used to be. Sure if your going for greaves then it is a must, but as a stand alone item it has fallen off. It used to be a must in almost every game, but now even in pro games most teams do not go for it unless they have a viper or smth, or building into greaves. The window for mekansm is just akward, and there are a lot of other good items that are just as good if not better. Compare it to a force staff... Late game mekanism turns into trash while a force staff shines. If - greaves then good, if not then trash except a very few heroes/situations. This is due to the increased item pool, and an increase in gold earned.

I see mek more as a follow up to Greaves than as a stand alone item. More or less like what Crys is to Daedalus and Yasha is to Manta or S&Y. The item itself isn't really that good. The aura and the heal are nice, but it costs too much mana to cast it. Considering the heroes that you usually get, Necro, Omni, Underlord, Bounty Hunter, Tide... They all have mana problems early on.

I mean, if the person has no interest in picking Greaves, might as well not buy Mek. That's why while I can see the value on getting Mek of Viper, I'm not entirely conviced it is the best play.

[D. Igne Natura Renovatur Integra]

Deepbluediver の投稿を引用：

OH NO! it's him again! の投稿を引用：

Mekansm is no longer what it used to be. Sure if your going for greaves then it is a must, but as a stand alone item it has fallen off. It used to be a must in almost every game, but now even in pro games most teams do not go for it unless they have a viper or smth, or building into greaves. The window for mekansm is just akward, and there are a lot of other good items that are just as good if not better. Compare it to a force staff... Late game mekanism turns into trash while a force staff shines. If - greaves then good, if not then trash except a very few heroes/situations. This is due to the increased item pool, and an increase in gold earned.

Yeah, but I'd say that in pro-matches the early and mid game is much more important than in many pub matches. Pro teams rarely seem to drag things out to the point where a hard carry will get 6 slotted.

Well, in pub matches people also tend to get yolo

[Sixe史吏]

EL caliente in fire の投稿を引用：

I see mek more as a follow up to Greaves than as a stand alone item. More or less like what Crys is to Daedalus and Yasha is to Manta or S&Y. The item itself isn't really that good. The aura and the heal are nice, but it costs too much mana to cast it. Considering the heroes that you usually get, Necro, Omni, Underlord, Bounty Hunter, Tide... They all have mana problems early on.

I mean, if the person has no interest in picking Greaves, might as well not buy Mek. That's why while I can see the value on getting Mek of Viper, I'm not entirely conviced it is the best play.

This is especially true now. Viper Q's buff makes him a stronger late-game than before. No need to focus entirely on mid-game with mek.

Mek is the item for Pos. 3 or 4 heroes. The Pos. 5 does not have money, and the mid / carry wants to build something better. The point of building a mek is to PUSH immediately after, and the person who buys it should say something like "I have mek now, we push NOW." where every person (except maybe the farming carry) all strike a lane. If team doesn't listen, mek's effect is wasted.

[lulborne]

Yeah. It's not really an item to save one person. It's an item to rally everyone together. The heroes that I mentioned, they all have something that helps in teamfights. Necro will keep healing and damaging everyone, Underlord has huge AOE, Bounty can spam track and shurikens all the time, Tide is the big guy in the frontline, Omni can spam heals... They are not farmers per se, but since they are involved in many fights, they usually get the gold relatively quickly to build it and GG makes sense on them.

I don't know why someone would buy Mek on Viper when they could just get a damage item instead. Viper's kit is not even teamfight oriented imo. It's more of ganker one.

[DI.JustApe]

If you're not going for a 5-man deathball why waste 2300 gold on an item that has the most effect in teamfights?
In any other case: Just do the math: 250 healing for every unit in its AoE, add 4 hp per second and 2 armor. 2 armor in the mid game will be a 5% physical damage decrease in average on a hero. Also the stats are good, especially on a support.
The more drawn out your fights are, or the more you rely on pushing with all 5 ppl, the more valuable the item is.

[PenjelmaanKatak]

graystripe の投稿を引用：

which do you think is better????

mekansm or pipe of insight?????

depends on who youre fighting, from the price perspective theyre almost equally matched as both could be built from small items, but mek is in a disadvantage since greaves recipe is one of the most expensive.

[PenjelmaanKatak]

Off-The-Wagon Finn の投稿を引用：

👻 の投稿を引用：

buy it on meepo if fat..for greaves and could also buy booty of travel .2 boots no probs...
hard to kill and crazy push,add it up with crimson

no, don't go mek on meepo. ever.

GG on that

[PenjelmaanKatak]

A topic: a mek on mid carries viable? Most pro SF players like yaphets/mushi buys mek for core on pro level games

[Deepbluediver]

smittywerbenjagermanjensen の投稿を引用：

A topic: a mek on mid carries viable? Most pro SF players like yaphets/mushi buys mek for core on pro level games

All that really means is that it's viable for pros- they are on such a different level that you can't extrapolate what they do on to pub players below 5k or so, IMO.