A Formal Request To Change How 'Prestige' Immortals are obtained

[Disturbed Immortalized]

I am in no way have any right to represent every player, but I am sure I am not the only one who loves to have a chance to obtain previous prestige immortals.

Dear Valve / Dota 2 Devs,

Thank you for letting us play this fun - yet free game. We enjoy playing with friends while using our favorite heroes although toxicity from players are inevitable, at the end of the day we still enjoy the game.

As part of the bloodline of this game, cosmetics are available to be purchased optionally, and compendiums to support the international prize pool. These compendiums every year contains a prestige item - an immortal item for a hero that will no longer be obtainable after that specific international.

As the item is called 'prestige', it is no longer obtainable after that battle pass date has ended. This is understandable as it is the enticing part of acquiring it, however, every player has their favorite hero. Not just the current players but also, the new players that will come to Dota 2 in the future will certainly have a favorite hero.

All players can relate on how it is relaxing and enjoying the feeling of using / going back to your favorite hero. This feeling grow and if you can afford it - you will eventually set eyes on how to make your hero look better if not best.

Learning later on that your favorite hero have an item that was released in the past and will no longer be available to you in any near future is a very frustrating feeling. Not every players were present in every international, specially new players who just started.

In line with this, I would like to raise an idea on making every prestige immortals that were released before, available for unlocking in every year's TI battle pass.
Prestige immortals are unlocked at around 255+ level of battle pass. Instead of having a fixed prestige immortal for that year, allow players to choose ONE (and only one) prestige immortal of his choice based on all prestige immortals already released.

This will be fair to those who collects all these prestige immortals because players who only joined recently will FORFEIT their chance to get the current year's prestige item in exchange for the older ones, and there is no way they can get all the prestige items just by buying more levels.
This will also encourage more players to buy / grind their BP levels despite not liking the current prestige immortal, or the item is not for their favorite hero.

Thank you for considering this request, and will respect whatever will be the outcome.

For players that have similar thoughts or feeling, please comment down, as the communities' voice is louder than of one person.


Edit: the immortals in the subject are:

2016 - Legacy of the Fallen Legion
2017 - Prize of the Saltworn Mariner
2018 - Hell-Spar Anathema

[Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant]

Nothing irks me more than people brandishing about exclusivity as if it's a good thing. No one thinks you're cool because you have an item that no one else can ever get again. They think the item is cool, not you. If anything, it breeds envy and only further contributes to the toxic environment that inevitably envelops competitive games like Dota. I own all the current prestige items, but I couldn't give two ♥♥♥♥♥ if Valve implemented OP's idea of reaching whatever level to earn the prestige item and selecting a past item while forfeiting this year's prestige. If it came with the past quest trees that unlocked the alternate styles, hell, I'd ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ join in on that and get the alt styles for Kunka and LC's.
Frankly, so long as there's enough work and/or money on the player's side to reach the required level, there shouldn't be any good reason to not do this.

Also OP, you can buy Axe's and Enigma's prestige items on the market for fairly cheap. They were the first two and Valve didn't make them exclusive. Axe's with the 2nd style unlock will probably be significantly more expensive.

[Disturbed Immortalized]

Thanks for the input vapor. I like how you indicated that EVEN those who currently have the prestige items would love to have a chance to get what they have missed if ever it was re-implemented.
It was a hind-sight on my part that the 2015 prestige items were tradable. I just referred to the wiki page of 'prestige items' and assumed all are untradable. Thanks for pointing that out and I removed it from the OP as no changes are needed for them (imo if they are tradable in the first place).


Edit: I also don't understand why the act of being so possessive of an item's availability when my idea isn't asking it for free. All those who can afford would pay the same or more. Plus in a game where 2 or more players have a prestige item for 1 specific hero, in the end only 1 of those player in that current game can use the hero anyway (assuming that it gets picked for that game).

[76561198811286778]

sorry but i disagree with... exsluvei item in dota mean to give ppl who participated and paid in that exlusive time... for new player or ppl who missed it, it is their fate. they didnt join in the exclusive time for exclusive reward. it is what make the item so special and it preserve the value for the chosen people

[Disturbed Immortalized]

Thanks for your input, I respect that. Though not everyone who missed the chance to participate was by choice. Players who started playing recently and eventually newer players will also stumble upon this issue. It's not like we or they had a choice when they aren't in the game at that time. But if this request isn't heard then it is most likely what you've said, fate.

[Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant]

Първоначално публикувано от Ava Gina:

sorry but i disagree with... exsluvei item in dota mean to give ppl who participated and paid in that exlusive time... for new player or ppl who missed it, it is their fate. they didnt join in the exclusive time for exclusive reward. it is what make the item so special and it preserve the value for the chosen people

There is no value in it being exclusive. This would be like saying a baseball fan shouldn't be allowed to own merchandise from a game 60 years ago because he didn't attend the actual game. That's asinine, and reeks of elitism. The item is special because of its effects and how it looks, not because of how few people were able to obtain it.

[Duchess Minty]

You're outta luck, Valve is on record as saying that the prestige immortals will never be obtainable after their respective battlepass ends. They specify this literally every year.

[Disturbed Immortalized]

I just hoped that if Valve or the devs sees the majority of community wants this, they will grant the request. But as I've said if the idea is really bad then it won't happen and we have no choice but to move on.

[Zagryzaec]

No need to be discouraged. New interesting sets are always coming. DotA + will eventually get special set for legion, just look forward for it. Also new immortal parts of the set should come for her in the future.

Don't cling to the past. Look into the future.

[Disturbed Immortalized]

As I've said, most hero immortal items shares aesthetics with each other, which is logical so you would collect them all.
Sven's vigil triumph and vigil's signet, Bloodseeker's Ezhthok, CM's Yulsaria, PL's concord, Void's aeons, Lina's wyrmwroughts, Morph's tears, Weaver's crimsons, and etc.

As it is now that not all heroes already have their immortals, it will take a lot of years for 1 hero to receive another set of immortal items with different aesthetics than the first batch, and who that lucky hero will be is another story.

Edit: and please, stop mixing up 'sets' and 'immortals' on your replies. They are different. Sets are created by artists in the workshop, and you have MANY options out there and there's nothing needed to be changed. Immortal items are different since Valve created them, and only Valve can create them like Arcanas.

[Disturbed Immortalized]

If it was only a WHOLE set with special effects etc. I could pass up on it, you won't have the feeling of being incomplete since you don't have any part of it. But if it shares aesthetics with another item that is available to you now while the other isn't, you will have the idea that they are part of one set, and having one item not acquirable anymore is frustrating.

(Assumming money isn't an issue), It's like having Sven's Vigil Signet without the Vigil triumph, Void's bracer and jewel of aeons without the mace, Lina's arcana and wyrmwrought flare without the disciple of wyrmwrought flame.

All I've mentioned above costs a waaaaay more in the market now than their actual price when it was released, yet people are still willing to spend on them.

[Zagryzaec]

Wrong.
Sets are several items bundled together.
Immortal is a rarity (https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Rarity), that means that those sets or items can only be obtained from other players after events.
There is no reason for either not to be created by valve or in the workshop.

[Disturbed Immortalized]

Първоначално публикувано от Zagryzaec:

Wrong.
Sets are several items bundled together.
Immortal is a rarity (https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Rarity), that means that those sets or items can only be obtained from other players after events.
There is no reason for either not to be created by valve or in the workshop.

Only few immortals are set like Dark Artistry and the latest WD bundle. They are not exclusive and they are marketable so I don't see it being part of the problem.

[Zagryzaec]

I consider several immortal items which share aestetics to be parts of the immortal set for their hero. Which is basically so.
If you gather them all you have immortal set.

[Disturbed Immortalized]

Първоначално публикувано от Zagryzaec:

I consider several immortal items which share aestetics to be parts of the immortal set for their hero. Which is basically so.
If you gather them all you have immortal set.

Yes, that's what I meant, and if the set is available to you aside from one part, it's frustrating. Thanks for your inputs anyway.

[Disturbed Immortalized]

Another idea would be release a treasure in the next battle pass similar to this:

https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Promise_of_Eminent_Revival

But please include Baneful Devotion in the recolored immortal if you decided to recolor Legacy of the Fallen Legion.