5000 Hours in dota2 vs 270 hours in Tekken 7 the case for 3v3 games.

[Lord Pendragon]

5k hours in dota2 got me archon 4 last season after like 100games mostly with friends, yes i've studied all these years and i have not remained static i watch pros read forums update myself on the meta and test builds.

270 Hours in tekken 7 which is more complicated by multiple factors execution barrier knowledge barrier reflexes not being able to rely on people to carry you gets me Savior which is like an immortal for dota2, same approach as dota2 but with training mode to do alot of lab work i can say i spent of the 270 hours 70 was in training mode learning my options and what to do and when, and of course it helps that the game is 1v1.

Let me add had no tekken experience prior to playing tekken 7 and almost no fighting game experience, i learned from scratch from the bottom up.

I feel this is an issue native to team based games with there match making system and having a 5v5 give a way worse chance of getting respectable players, or just players that you can mesh well with personality wise its a full on crapshoot.

I say all of this because i believe if we readuced the match size we move a lot average mmr players to above average mmr or higher mmr, at the end of it all i believe we should have a 3v3 mode along side with 5v5, let add i believe a smaller setting would allow personal skill and hard work to show more.

Inb4 gitgud, 5k hours son i've done the gitgud i just don't play 900 rank games to get ranked up by attrition, because if i recall right you do not need a positive w/l to move to legend or ancient.

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Tekken has nothing on Dota and is inferior in every way. 70 hours training in Tekken seems good. In Dota you need 1000 hours of playing and you will still not understand all the aspects of the game. I suggest you take your Tekken and get out of here now.

[R A Z E R]

Why are you trying to compare tekken to dota based on training/learning to play? Tekken and dota are 2 completely different games..

[Lord Pendragon]

Originally posted by Jimmy:

Tekken has nothing on Dota and is inferior in every way. 70 hours training in Tekken seems good. In Dota you need 1000 hours of playing and you will still not understand all the aspects of the game. I suggest you take your Tekken and get out of here now.

Oh man your telling me a game with over 1m people playing is more hardcore and harder then fighers, that have a population of 5k really dedicated people who study, in a genre thats known for low retention because of difficulty?

Get out of this conversation your wrong out of the gate, have some base knowledge before you come here FYI 5k hours on dota.

[Woody]

Someone with the name of the Dev which screwed over the first DotA and started Legaue is saying Tekken is more complicated than Dota 2.

This seems suspect.

[Lord Pendragon]

Originally posted by Razer:

Why are you trying to compare tekken to dota based on training/learning to play? Tekken and dota are 2 completely different games..

Require the same mind set to learn not the same toolset tho tekken has a larger and more difficult tool set to master i used to contrast to explain how hard work is rewarded less and less the more players that are on the field.

[1MantisPhoenix]

Button smash vs Logical planning, map drawing, team work, strategy, RPG,

[Lord Pendragon]

Originally posted by 1🅿🅼🅰🅽🆃🅸🆂MantisPhoenix:

Button smash vs Logical planning, map drawing, team work, strategy, RPG,

Never played a fighting game in your life huh...
Button mashing in a fighter is like walking into enemy jungle high ground @ night when no one is on the map alone as a maiden.

I thought i'd get a conversation not oh man MOBA GAMES ARE SO complicated there not there popular because there not complicated no game can garner 1m players and be complicated because the average gamer isn't hardcore.

Holy crap can you guys at least speak to the spirit of the arguement instead of being butthurt that your game isnt the most complicated game in the universe.

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Originally posted by Pendragon:

Originally posted by Jimmy:

Tekken has nothing on Dota and is inferior in every way. 70 hours training in Tekken seems good. In Dota you need 1000 hours of playing and you will still not understand all the aspects of the game. I suggest you take your Tekken and get out of here now.

Oh man your telling me a game with over 1m people playing is more hardcore and harder then fighers, that have a population of 5k really dedicated people who study, in a genre thats known for low retention because of difficulty?

Get out of this conversation your wrong out of the gate, have some base knowledge before you come here FYI 5k hours on dota.

So what, I have 10.5 k hours in Dota, that is 10500 hours. Now what? Listen, Dota by nature requires you to balance a lot more knowledge in your head. Dota has like 115 heros each with 4 skills minimum. That is 460 skills you need to know, cd/dps/effects etc. A lot of heroes have more than 4 skills but I said 4 just to make it easy. Then you need to know the interaction all those skills can have on each other. The possibilities are so many. Then then then. Tekken does not require the amount of knowledge you need in Dota. Nor is Tekken as complicated as Dota. So when you come running in here screaming how much more complicated Tekken is, I just told you the truth...you are wrong. That is all.

[1MantisPhoenix]

Originally posted by Pendragon:

Originally posted by 1🅿🅼🅰🅽🆃🅸🆂MantisPhoenix:

Button smash vs Logical planning, map drawing, team work, strategy, RPG,

Never played a fighting game in your life huh...
Button mashing in a fighter is like walking into enemy jungle high ground @ night when no one is on the map alone as a maiden.

I thought i'd get a conversation not oh man MOBA GAMES ARE SO complicated there not there popular because there not complicated no game can garner 1m players and be complicated because the average gamer isn't hardcore.

Holy crap can you guys at least speak to the spirit of the arguement instead of being butthurt that your game isnt the most complicated game in the universe.

i own both games,
One you can play with a controller,
One you can not.
You think further than that.

I can beat people in tekken with 300 ping, thank you very much.

[Lord Pendragon]

Originally posted by Jimmy:

Originally posted by Pendragon:

Oh man your telling me a game with over 1m people playing is more hardcore and harder then fighers, that have a population of 5k really dedicated people who study, in a genre thats known for low retention because of difficulty?

Get out of this conversation your wrong out of the gate, have some base knowledge before you come here FYI 5k hours on dota.

So what, I have 10.5 k hours in Dota, that is 10500 hours. Now what? Listen, Dota by nature requires you to balance a lot more knowledge in your head. Dota has like 115 heros each with 4 skills minimum. That is 460 skills you need to know, cd/dps/effects etc. A lot of heroes have more than 4 skills but I said 4 just to make it easy. Then you need to know the interaction all those skills can have on each other. The possibilities are so many. Then then then. Tekken does not require the amount of knowledge you need in Dota. Nor is Tekken as complicated as Dota. So when you come running in here screaming how much more complicated Tekken is, I just told you the truth...you are wrong. That is all.

Dude dota2 does now have more raw knowledge then any fighter because the average character in a fighting game has 30-40 moves across 30-40 characters all of which play differently lmao man ima just ignore you do not know understand what your talking about at all i have time in both games i have far more knowledge on this then you do stop posting here you know nothing.

[1MantisPhoenix]

perhaps you need to master your own memory skills, and learn to build a better archiving system internally.. Read the book on the guy who could recite 2400+_ numbers and watch the below

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ebJlcZMx3c

[1MantisPhoenix]

https://happydetecting.com/home/learning/the-master-memory-system/

[Lord Pendragon]

So you guys really think Dota2 is more complex then fighters...i guess there's nothing to here this arguement is gonna fall on deaf ears.

Lemme know when you gotta learn frame data over 700 attacks, if there highs mids and lows.
Not even gonna talk about + and - minus frames or counter hits.

Just frame data.
No combos.
Just frame data.
No Spacing or learning movement.
Just frame data.
I can go on but nevermind.

[Woody]

People really taking this bait then huh?

[mZ]

Is this guy for real?