how to gain mmr as pos 4/5

[O_o!..Jöl_K]

Hey guys. how to climb the ladder as a pos4/5 player.
any idea?
i mean i win if i go carry and got a decent pos5...
but how to win a game as a pos4/5 player if pos1 and 2 fail all game long?
again i lost 500 mmr...

[Shiro]

having a pos 4 or 5 player in team is also good atleast in sea server,but its hard to gain mmr cuz those roles a very much dependent on your cores and if core fails or plays bad then it will result in a lose no matter how good u did in that game.if u want to climb as a pos 4 or 5 i will tell it will be better to find a 5 man party and play with them and leave solo behind.

[Zagryzaec]

I raised my mmr from 290 to 3k with almost supports only.

Basic rules is the lower rating concentrate more on damage and less on control. Here cores cannot do their role and do damage, but it is also true for enemy team. So several good lich ultimates, or cm ultimates can destroy and dismoral enemy team. Phoenix also good. Also invis is invincib. so vision and glimmer may win many games. Sentry absolutely destroy here solo invisers that think they can just walk among you in shb.

When you raise higher cores actually begin to understand what are they doing, and you role becomes to eliminate those in enemy team who can press buttons and think. Lion and Rasta with instant blink initiation can early lockdown any single player and while he is stunned, hexed and/or shackled it doesn't matter how good he is.

Getting even higher people start to learn walk in groups up to five and use bkb so other heroes get priorities. Instant long initiation of Shaker that will not allow to press bkb and help from nearby teammates, banes ulty to hold someone under active bkb and treants ulty to root everyone around in bkb take priorities. Especially since cores really learn to deal damage by this point and all they need is for their Target to not resist.
Also good cores allow usage of such supports as dazzle, Oracle and io, which also doesn't really bothered by bkb and instead focus on making their core invincible in battle.

Also if you last pick support (non role rating) you are really lucky, as you can hard counter enemy core. If not at least try to pick support for your team like lich for void and so on, not just your signature, and just perform your role. Sometimes situational supports like viper are needed.


Your victory is surely not guaranteed if you play support, but you mmr will raise with time. Untill you will tilt and go ruining after several totally won games which some guys from wrong mmr in your team throw by solo feed or just not hitting anything.

[Absche]

Play better than the opponent pos 4/5 player ...

[Zagryzaec]

And once again carry does not carry the game. Supports mider and offlaner carry him.

[Bon❄超変態駄目青年学生退屈日常自己嫌悪克服]

being pos 5 doesnt mean always deal lowest dmg tho. its just the farm priority.

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pos 4/5 with pudge?

[MelchaZedek]

i didnt want to smurf, and there is no solutions to raise your mmr in pos 4 in low rank.
If u cant make a decisive difference SOLO vs 5 (even 7 or 8 players) your mmr will fall. if u play support and carry the game, u cant be everywhere. Supportin isn't just about buying ward and cur, u have to fully help your carry : harassin, pullin denyin', wardin...how could u give the gold to a carry who autoattack...and get stuffed for carrying? i dont know.

i usually have more value than pos1 even buying all the stuff, pulling and denying...u just cant win a game doing a fine p4 job if your team dont follow.

[Woody]

MelchaZedek eredeti hozzászólása:

i didnt want to smurf, and there is no solutions to raise your mmr in pos 4.
If u cant make a decisive difference SOLO vs 5 (even 7 or 8 players). if u play support and carry the game, u cant be everywhere. Supportin isn't just about buying ward and cur, u have to fully help your carry : harassin, pullin denyin', wardin...how could u give the gold to a carry who autoattack...and get stuffed for carrying.

i usually have more value than pos1 even buy all the stuff, pulling and denying...u just cant win a game doing a fine p4 job if your team dont follow.

If you can't make a difference that you not playing well as a support not that you can't make a difference as a support.

[MelchaZedek]

thats what i said : if u cant make difference solo. that's my prob, my best part is strategy and mindgaming thats why i pick supports. despite i can play a decent carry and get really good value sometimes, i dont really like it, thats why my mmr went down to abyssal dephts.
hte only thing i wish is to play this with a good team wich is very hard to get in my mmr (one game on 20).

[Woody]

MelchaZedek eredeti hozzászólása:

thats what i said : if u cant make difference solo. that's my prob, my best part is strategy and mindgaming thats why i pick supports. despite i can play a decent carry and get really good value sometimes, i dont really like it, thats why my mmr went down to abysall dephts.
hte only thing i wish is to play this with a good team wich is very hard to get in my mmr (one game on 20).

You should try some supports which can crush lanes and can start a snowball if you get a lead in lane like WD, Dazzle or Grim.

[MelchaZedek]

yeah i should focus on thoses. Sometimes i can turn the game with a good wd or winter, they can kill and value more than the usual rushpick sniper u got in your team!
but i dont wanna raise my mmr at any cost, i still try enjoy games over than try harding...but this is difficult with a low mmr like mine