Why did you nerf clockwork

[pelitunnus03]

The new aghs update is a real neft.
Can u bring the old aghs update back?

[hrooza]

the new ability is stronger then old agh, but it also take more skills to use.

[pelitunnus03]

Originally posted by hrooza:

the new ability is stronger then old agh, but it also take more skills to use.

I find it kinda lame, doesn´t really make me wanna buy aghs anymore

[hrooza]

Originally posted by pelitunnus03:

Originally posted by hrooza:

the new ability is stronger then old agh, but it also take more skills to use.

I find it kinda lame, doesn´t really make me wanna buy aghs anymore

will then dont.... the agh is pretty good but you can live without it if you cant use it .

[pelitunnus03]

Originally posted by hrooza:

Originally posted by pelitunnus03:

I find it kinda lame, doesn´t really make me wanna buy aghs anymore

will then dont.... the agh is pretty good but you can live without it if you cant use it .

i mean i can use it, and i buy it in some games, but it is not just as good as it used to be, i liked the short cooldown ulti in old aghs, and i dont really see why would i need a resfresh on my other skills. just locking hook and cogs and batteries, enemys are dead already, refreshing it is just a waste, and then stunning yourself,, thats just lame..

[hrooza]

Originally posted by pelitunnus03:

Originally posted by hrooza:

will then dont.... the agh is pretty good but you can live without it if you cant use it .

i mean i can use it, and i buy it in some games, but it is not just as good as it used to be, i liked the short cooldown ulti in old aghs, and i dont really see why would i need a resfresh on my other skills. just locking hook and cogs and batteries, enemys are dead already, refreshing it is just a waste, and then stunning yourself,, thats just lame..

ehh ever heard of team fights?

if you only focus on pick offs then sure old one is better, new one however is not only good at locking single target, but completely changing the whole match to your favor with double cog/double ulti in short time

you are simply looking at what old agh could do without what the new one could do

[pelitunnus03]

Originally posted by hrooza:

Originally posted by pelitunnus03:

i mean i can use it, and i buy it in some games, but it is not just as good as it used to be, i liked the short cooldown ulti in old aghs, and i dont really see why would i need a resfresh on my other skills. just locking hook and cogs and batteries, enemys are dead already, refreshing it is just a waste, and then stunning yourself,, thats just lame..

ehh ever heard of team fights?

if you only focus on pick offs then sure old one is better, new one however is not only good at locking single target, but completely changing the whole match to your favor with double cog/double ulti in short time

you are simply looking at what old agh could do without what the new one could do

yes i do belive that with enough practice it might be good or something, but i just dont understand why the had to change it.. i used to play so much clock with a nice win rate and now the hero is just broken, rushing aghs no longer makes sense, and they turned it into some lategame aghs that really is not the way i play clock, i used to get blademail, arcane boots, then aghs or glimmer depending, maybe bkb, shiva, etc.. now i would not even consider wasting 4,2k on an aghs at 15-20 min in the game.. maybe i can buy it at 50 min but i think they just broke it, it doesnt have the same mid game potential it used to have and as a lategame hero, it just isn´t that good. Really dont see the new aghs update being worth 4,2k gold.

[Fort Yves]

The old one (Reduce CD to 12 seconds) is vanilla in contrast to Refresh Ability Cooldown, 200 AS and 40% MS.

[pelitunnus03]

Originally posted by Fort Lahns P4 / P5:

The old one (Reduce CD to 12 seconds) is vanilla in contrast to Refresh Ability Cooldown, 200 AS and 40% MS.

yes i think the old one was better too.. the new one is just dumb and useless.
possibly in some scenario it might be good, but it´s really not that practical, and most definately not worth 4,2k

Like why would clock need move and attack speed? its not like im carrying a skull basher with me... xD most of the times just sitting inside my cogs.. and stunning yourself is just stupid.

[Fort Yves]

Originally posted by pelitunnus03:

Originally posted by Fort Lahns P4 / P5:

The old one (Reduce CD to 12 seconds) is vanilla in contrast to Refresh Ability Cooldown, 200 AS and 40% MS.

yes i think the old one was better too.. the new one is just dumb and useless.
possibly in some scenario it might be good, but it´s really not that practical, and most definately not worth 4,2k

Like why would clock need move and attack speed? its not like im carrying a skull basher with me... xD most of the times just sitting inside my cogs.. and stunning yourself is just stupid.

Vanilla means boring and plain.

[pelitunnus03]

Originally posted by Fort Lahns P4 / P5:

Originally posted by pelitunnus03:

yes i think the old one was better too.. the new one is just dumb and useless.
possibly in some scenario it might be good, but it´s really not that practical, and most definately not worth 4,2k

Like why would clock need move and attack speed? its not like im carrying a skull basher with me... xD most of the times just sitting inside my cogs.. and stunning yourself is just stupid.

Vanilla means boring and plain.

ok my bad.. thought it meant classic.. :D in a good way :D

[hrooza]

Originally posted by pelitunnus03:

Originally posted by hrooza:

ehh ever heard of team fights?

if you only focus on pick offs then sure old one is better, new one however is not only good at locking single target, but completely changing the whole match to your favor with double cog/double ulti in short time

you are simply looking at what old agh could do without what the new one could do

yes i do belive that with enough practice it might be good or something, but i just dont understand why the had to change it.. i used to play so much clock with a nice win rate and now the hero is just broken, rushing aghs no longer makes sense, and they turned it into some lategame aghs that really is not the way i play clock, i used to get blademail, arcane boots, then aghs or glimmer depending, maybe bkb, shiva, etc.. now i would not even consider wasting 4,2k on an aghs at 15-20 min in the game.. maybe i can buy it at 50 min but i think they just broke it, it doesnt have the same mid game potential it used to have and as a lategame hero, it just isn´t that good. Really dont see the new aghs update being worth 4,2k gold.

for started clock is not the first to be changed and wont be the last,
second thing clock winrate rose if i am not mistaken , and idk what you mean they turned it into a late game one, you can rush agh because team fights will start after laning stage anyway and its a good team fight agh its pretty effective in mid game as the old one imo you just to used to the old one.

as i said if you dont want to rush it then dont, just dont call it a nerf because its a rework and theres new ways to use the same hero, you need to adept to changes and find the way to use the new agh, and not just give up on it to quickly because it does not do the exact same effect like the old one.

[pelitunnus03]

Originally posted by ¡ 乂 ÐÐ.КLᵃШ 乂 !:

Originally posted by Tabasco:

It's just that the 4 second stun seems very unpleasant and who the hell wants attack speed on clockwerk?

Pair clock with legion commander and/or abba for a strong dispel then new ags is vastly superior to old ags. Or pair it with omni and have reduced stun duration. Most people just cant think outside the box with how to use new items/skills until a pro roflstomps or they have a coach thinking for them

all these things might work in captains mode or as a 5 man party but realistically in solo que, which i play.. none on these things will happen.

And i agree with tabasco.. the attack speed buff is just dumb. Clock hits so low damage anyways.

[hrooza]

you guys overrating the 4 seconds , you most likely did your job in team fight before you get hit with the 4 seconds

[pelitunnus03]

Originally posted by hrooza:

you guys overrating the 4 seconds , you most likely did your job in team fight before you get hit with the 4 seconds

the 4 seconds is not bad, but it just makes no sense, neither do the buffs it give, it should give hp regen or mana regen or something instead, attack speed on clock really? ok might work if i buy a rapier, but how often you really buy rapier for clock? it´s just dumb.
or should we buy diffusal now for clock and drain mana on ult xDDDDDDDDDDDD

[pelitunnus03]

Originally posted by ¡ 乂 ÐÐ.КLᵃШ 乂 !:

Originally posted by pelitunnus03:

all these things might work in captains mode or as a 5 man party but realistically in solo que, which i play.. none on these things will happen.

And i agree with tabasco.. the attack speed buff is just dumb. Clock hits so low damage anyways.

Why do you need a 5 man or captains? Duo works fine for the strat i mentioned....and you can ask your team if anyone is intending to play abba/omni/lc. If they say no or wont respond, then either pick a different hero or play clock knowing you will have to be careful about your targets if you get ags

as i said i almost strictly play solo que.. and asking for abba or omni or lc is just dumb, rather lane with a snap or lich..