China banned KuKu and skem

[Munat]

Hey Valve? Remember pulling out the major of Galaxy Battle in Philippines because Philippines government interfere? Can you do that in this Chongqing major, I heard municipal governement are the one who banned kuku and skem? I guess not! Cos they are your biggest market!

[Ais Wallenstein]

Oh, we're gonna get through to this again? Btw, he's already apologizing, you know.
https://rebrn.com/re/kuku-apologized-with-a-plot-twist-5880302/

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by Ais Wallenstein:

Oh, we're gonna get through to this again? Btw, he's already apologizing, you know.
https://rebrn.com/re/kuku-apologized-with-a-plot-twist-5880302/

And then to show how they were totally against racism, Chinese fans responded by harassing a girl with racial slurs. I mean, if you're going to rehash this tired ole' story, at least rehash all of it.

https://twitter.com/mlmdecastro/status/1060921937717678080

[ngek]

they gone too far now i believe TI9 gonna be REALLY REALLY bad

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by ngek:

they gone too far now i believe TI9 gonna be REALLY REALLY bad

Well, a totalitarian dictatorship famously known for human rights abuses and crushing any freedom of expression isn't a great venue for the TI. It's right there in the name, International. And China is not a place that is kind to their own people, much less foreigners. Speaking of which, you know who treats Chinese Dota players the worst? Chinese Dota fans. If you follow the Chinese discussions, when a Chinese team loses they're talking about how they bring shame upon their family and country. They get like seriously personal.

[Woody]

I hope Valve take a hard line on this and remove the major title from the event.

[Duchess Minty]

Originally posted by Woody:

I hope Valve take a hard line on this and remove the major title from the event.

Last I checked the claim came from EE/Godz and it was marked unconfirmed on the subreddit.

Still is.

[jin]

*cough*
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/9zxa5q/comment/eaco6xp

[Duchess Minty]

Originally posted by Dominox3:

*cough*
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/9zxa5q/comment/eaco6xp

I wonder why OP couldn't post a source

Also this entire fiasco is so stupid and should never have escalated like it has.

[> <]

Jesus Christ, this needs to stop. If China wants to put these players in their persona non grata list then its up to them. Skem ♥♥♥♥♥♥ up but AFAIK he apologised and has been reprimanded (by being kicked by Col), so unless he hasnt learned his lesson, people really need to move on from him, and I really dont have any remorse for Kuku since he never really apologized and instead just tried to make more excuses, same with TNC management that instead of reprimanding their player just seems to be covering up for him.

This really isnt the same as Galaxy Battles since the PH government made a move that would affect all players' right to privacy especially since a lot of the players that were participating were from countries who has legalized recreational drugs.

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

Originally posted by Ais Wallenstein:

Oh, we're gonna get through to this again? Btw, he's already apologizing, you know.
https://rebrn.com/re/kuku-apologized-with-a-plot-twist-5880302/

And then to show how they were totally against racism, Chinese fans responded by harassing a girl with racial slurs. I mean, if you're going to rehash this tired ole' story, at least rehash all of it.

https://twitter.com/mlmdecastro/status/1060921937717678080

Oh please, the action of a few idiots now become the basis for their entire nation? This is the same argument people use when calling every Filipino player peenoise. Only one seems to be a real account while the rest seem to be just troll accounts.

This entire debacle should have ended with Skem. I dont understand how it managed to get this far.

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by The Absolute God of Hyperdeath:

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

And then to show how they were totally against racism, Chinese fans responded by harassing a girl with racial slurs. I mean, if you're going to rehash this tired ole' story, at least rehash all of it.

https://twitter.com/mlmdecastro/status/1060921937717678080

Oh please, the action of a few idiots now become the basis for their entire nation? This is the same argument people use when calling every Filipino player peenoise. Only one seems to be a real account while the rest seem to be just troll accounts.

This entire debacle should have ended with Skem. I dont understand how it managed to get this far.

Then why don't you direct your comments at all of the Chinese players who were flooding the forums and firebombing the Dota 2 reviews, claiming that Valve was racist because of "the action of a few idiots?" Kinda selective there, aren't ya?

[> <]

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

Originally posted by The Absolute God of Hyperdeath:

Oh please, the action of a few idiots now become the basis for their entire nation? This is the same argument people use when calling every Filipino player peenoise. Only one seems to be a real account while the rest seem to be just troll accounts.

This entire debacle should have ended with Skem. I dont understand how it managed to get this far.

Then why don't you direct your comments at all of the Chinese players who were flooding the forums and firebombing the Dota 2 reviews, claiming that Valve was racist because of "the action of a few idiots?" Kinda selective there, aren't ya?

Because again, youre confalting the actions of a few with the whole. Even with the review bombs the racist ramblings werent even majority. Majority was actually asking Valve to make definitive action on the 2 players. But sure, Im the one with tinted lenses.

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by The Absolute God of Hyperdeath:

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

Then why don't you direct your comments at all of the Chinese players who were flooding the forums and firebombing the Dota 2 reviews, claiming that Valve was racist because of "the action of a few idiots?" Kinda selective there, aren't ya?

Because again, youre confalting the actions of a few with the whole. Even with the review bombs the racist ramblings werent even majority. Majority was actually asking Valve to make definitive action on the 2 players. But sure, Im the one with tinted lenses.

Do you think these players should be banned from the Chongqing major? Speaking of the actions of a few vs. the whole, If you support that then why not support a standard of conduct for all players in Dota 2? Why not ban any player who uses a racial slur? People want Dota 2 to be less toxic, right? When people complain about toxic players on the forums and ask everyone to report them, often they mean, everyone else who is toxic should be banned but they should be able to get away with it. Not much different here.

[> <]

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

Originally posted by The Absolute God of Hyperdeath:

Because again, youre confalting the actions of a few with the whole. Even with the review bombs the racist ramblings werent even majority. Majority was actually asking Valve to make definitive action on the 2 players. But sure, Im the one with tinted lenses.

Do you think these players should be banned from the Chongqing major? Speaking of the actions of a few vs. the whole, If you support that then why not support a standard of conduct for all players in Dota 2? Why not ban any player who uses a racial slur? People want Dota 2 to be less toxic, right? When people complain about toxic players on the forums and ask everyone to report them, often they mean, everyone else who is toxic should be banned but they should be able to get away with it. Not much different here.

Do you really think its fair to put a company in jeopardy to protect a player that is unapologetic about his own actions? I believe Skem has already issued an apology (not sure) but I dont believe Kuku has made any statements about these issues (especially if you believe the story that it was his manager that made the initial response).

And again, youre conflating 2 different things. Pro players are viewed in a different regards from pub players. They are always in the spotlight and are more representative of the playerbase to other (gaming) communities than some random pub troll. They are profesionals, they should act profesionally. Or do you disagree?

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by The Absolute God of Hyperdeath:

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

Do you think these players should be banned from the Chongqing major? Speaking of the actions of a few vs. the whole, If you support that then why not support a standard of conduct for all players in Dota 2? Why not ban any player who uses a racial slur? People want Dota 2 to be less toxic, right? When people complain about toxic players on the forums and ask everyone to report them, often they mean, everyone else who is toxic should be banned but they should be able to get away with it. Not much different here.

Do you really think its fair to put a company in jeopardy to protect a player that is unapologetic about his own actions? I believe Skem has already issued an apology (not sure) but I dont believe Kuku has made any statements about these issues (especially if you believe the story that it was his manager that made the initial response).

And again, youre conflating 2 different things. Pro players are viewed in a different regards from pub players. They are always in the spotlight and are more representative of the playerbase to other (gaming) communities than some random pub troll. They are profesionals, they should act profesionally. Or do you disagree?

So you want standards of conduct but only for pro players. That's my point, all of the people pointing fingers at these two guys while claiming their own racism, toxicity doesn't count. Classic double standard. Why would it be bad to hold all players to the same standard?

[> <]

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

Originally posted by The Absolute God of Hyperdeath:

Do you really think its fair to put a company in jeopardy to protect a player that is unapologetic about his own actions? I believe Skem has already issued an apology (not sure) but I dont believe Kuku has made any statements about these issues (especially if you believe the story that it was his manager that made the initial response).

And again, youre conflating 2 different things. Pro players are viewed in a different regards from pub players. They are always in the spotlight and are more representative of the playerbase to other (gaming) communities than some random pub troll. They are profesionals, they should act profesionally. Or do you disagree?

So you want standards of conduct but only for pro players. That's my point, all of the people pointing fingers at these two guys while claiming their own racism, toxicity doesn't count. Classic double standard. Why would it be bad to hold all players to the same standard?

And again, you missed the point. I wouldnt have had an issue with this had Kuku maned up to his mistake, but he didnt. Again, do you think its fair for Valve to lose potentially milions if not bilions of dollars to protect someone who cant even own up to his actions?