Dota 2 meta stale?

[VoX]

what do you guys think about the metas as of lately. my opinion is that ever since jungling has died it has not been quite as versatile.

[Arctic]

I can agree with you! I found the concept of picking a jungler very cool. You risk your laning phase at the expense of farming up another core for after the laning phase / late game. At the same time, the current meta has forced players to increase their laning skill (especially with the whole dual offlane meta now). This makes the laning phase more exciting and harder for carries to get farm. Whereas previously when tri-lanes were a thing, you could almost always secure a perfect free lane for your carry. I can agree with you that the game has become more structured since the new updates, and maybe there are less options with heroes useage now a day. I still think the game is fun and, just like it has in the past, the game will update again and the meta will shift once more to something different!

Have a good day !

@ArcticGaming

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Originally posted by VoX:

what do you guys think about the metas as of lately. my opinion is that ever since jungling has died it has not been quite as versatile.

I think the current meta is one of the worst in a long time. I stopped playing Dota 3-4 weeks ago and I am just waiting to see if the next update brings something worth playing.

[Одинокий]

htft

[[Crz]Stevλn K1ll]

Lets face the facts, very few people like to play support, its too boring, bring jungle back again so the meta is 4 cores

[Water Ｖａｐｏｒ Merchant]

Originally posted by Thomas:

Lets face the facts, very few people like to play support, its too boring, bring jungle back again so the meta is 4 cores

The 4 core meta sucked ass. I main support, and now that 2 supports per team is the meta it makes my life so much easier. The weight of buying all the wards is lifted as now two people are taking care of it unless you've designated hard pos 4 and pos 5 roles, which tend not to hold into the late game anyways. This allows me as a support to purchase more utility items to aid my team or counter a particular spell or hero on the enemy team.

[Deepbluediver]

I hated jungling, and I hate having people on my team who try to jungle. I'm glad Valve killed it off.

[VoX]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

I hated jungling, and I hate having people on my team who try to jungle. I'm glad Valve killed it off.

i hated when people jungled who didnt know what they were doing, but when done the right way it s much more interesting for the gameplay and added something different instead of 3 cores and always 2 supports every game(also 5 stack peru carry teams) i have more than 2000 hours in dota, started playing league with freinds, and realized that having a jungler in the game like we use to have in dota was very similar.

[Bara Bada Basto]

Originally posted by VoX:

what do you guys think about the metas as of lately. my opinion is that ever since jungling has died it has not been quite as versatile.

The jungle is there, nothing has died. A good jungler will outperform even the mid, but a bad one will say that jungling has died.

[Alison]

Jungling doesn't require any form of skill and is detrimental to the laning phase and makes the jungling hero extremely underfarmed, so valve will never bring something back that doesn't reqire any skills.

[Alison]

Originally posted by CreativeHuckleBerry:

Originally posted by VoX:

what do you guys think about the metas as of lately. my opinion is that ever since jungling has died it has not been quite as versatile.

The jungle is there, nothing has died. A good jungler will outperform even the mid, but a bad one will say that jungling has died.

Lol there isn't anything like a good jungler all you do is hit creeps without any contest from the enemy team.

[j8]

Originally posted by Thomas:

Lets face the facts, very few people like to play support, its too boring, bring jungle back again so the meta is 4 cores

I like playing support. In fact, I pretty much exclusively play support. I also think having a pos 4 who roams and ganks every lane is much more exciting than having a legion commander sit in the jungle for 7 minutes auto attacking nuetrals.

[Dio-Magica]

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[Unknown]

Unimaginably stale.
In fact, it's much worse.
Don't even know the right word to best describe it accurately.
So fed up with fighting both with & against LITERALLY the same heroes with the same item build & gameplay EVERY SINGLE MATCH.
Majority of the freakin' roster, which is composed of over a hundred heroes, is literally dead.
Valve isn't doing their job right.

[BossGalaga]

At the height of jungle meta, years ago, it was still problematic and you still had players sacrificing lanes and giving enemies free farm on the hope of one hero being farmed up enough to carry the entire game by themselves. Dota 2 has always been a team game.

This me-me-me meta was a constant source of scenarios like this:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1223597175

Jungle control is still very important in Dota 2. so is roaming and rotating but solo jungling like you're playing a single player game often results in your team playing a 4v5 game, falling to ganks and getting pushed back or giving up lanes while trying to pick up your slack.

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by VoX:

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

I hated jungling, and I hate having people on my team who try to jungle. I'm glad Valve killed it off.

i hated when people jungled who didnt know what they were doing, but when done the right way it s much more interesting for the gameplay and added something different instead of 3 cores and always 2 supports every game(also 5 stack peru carry teams) i have more than 2000 hours in dota, started playing league with freinds, and realized that having a jungler in the game like we use to have in dota was very similar.

It's a selfish, greedy strategy that means easy farm for the jungler but leaves the rest of your team to fight 4v5 for the first 20 minutes of the match. If you had someone who could solo lane well (Tide, Keeper, etc) then it wasn't to bad, though the enemy could still rotate and send 3 people to pressure your 2-lane combo, or have a roaming ganker. And most of the time we DIDN'T have a good solo laner, someone just wanted to jungle because they didn't know how to last hit or deal with an enemy in lane. The didn't push, they didn't defend, they never showed up for teamfights but still wanted the support to ward to keep them safe, etc. It felt like most of my matches were won or lost before the jungler ever actually joined the rest of us.

That's my opinion of it anyway, but honestly what is interesting about running in a circle killing neutrals for 20 minutes?