Please make the game feel like Dota again

[Mr.Happy.]

Hey lads as stupid as this sounds is anyone else depressed over this patch?! I've been playing dota 1. And since then have never really played too many other games.
I must admit in hindsight dota has got me out of some tough situations in life. It’s dedication and focus required for each game helped me escape; my mind is at ease when I play dota.
Too me and many other serious players, dota was our soccer. It was a serious game, where I could play with other like-minded competitive players (sometimes a little too passionate). Dota stood out from its competitors, it had the same solid mechanics with minor tweaks year after year. There was minimal RNG, players honed their skills for years. Every hero had the possibility to win. It was methodical.

It did not try to compete with other games like LoL as it was in its own league. Years of dedication and improvement leading you to a sense of achievement., that no RNG game could full fill. Games we won on skill, chance was minimal.

Why change a game which got to where it was based on it's core values?

Dedication, Passion, Balance and Love for the Game.

Since the rise of games like Fornite and LoL; the trend is some weird chaotic, free for all and anyone can win at the roll of an item and you can play multiple short games. Dota has in the past refused to give in to this phase. I believe we can all agree dota is now and maybe has been for some time now, following this trend. Why is dota turning into all the games I despise. I was proud to call myself a Dota fan/player..

I don't care that they've reduced the number of drops I don't want uncontrollable drops influencing my games; You still don’t have the same probability in each game, as some items won’t appear that game. I don't like that they've turned the game into turbo, why such an increase in gpm and exp gain. Why would you change the core mechanics, making wards free, 3x tps at the start, 5 couriers which act as your gold generator and can use items WTF?! I don’t like how heroes have flashy moves and everyone is OP. I want my stable game, where Ice Frog gentle guides us into new creative ways to play the original game.. I want a meta created for a competive environment, but some RNG “just for lols”, “it’s okay everyones OP” meta, designed for immature children.

Dota has now become mainstream music. Next the theme song will be include catchy phrase from artists like Kesha, Justin Beiber and One Direction.
Imagine if they drastically changed the rules of soccer. Tweaks bring a fresh feel, not complete reworks that go against their original core values.
I'm writting this in hope of getting the feeling of dota back to the game. Maybe we could petition?

I know casters like Purge, Admiral Bulldog, Dota Alchemy, Gameleap and many pros agree that this change does not feel like Dota. Unfortunately for them their livelihoods depend on this game. They are too committed to rant over feelings. But I feel like they should stick their necks out and protect the original game that they love.

I've heard from so many long-time players that they are upset and most probably will not be playing again. Why would you turn your back on the people who helped you get famous in the first place? We are the players that even when pushed to the brink still want the best for the game. This is why we head to forums, just like in the playdota forum.

Why has Ice Frog hurt the people who loved his game the most, the people who have supported him throughout the years, the people who are truly passionate about the game. Why turn your back on the people who helped make the game as popular as it is now?
I struggle to articulate, but I hope others can expand why this change is no longer dota. And why this game means so much to us. I am honestly upset; more than I thought I’d ever be over an online video game.

We do not want to follow trends; we want our own game. We want to feel like we are playing Dota again. A methodical game, where skill will always be the deciding factor.
I urge all players to watch this video. And feel inspired about how this game has affected so many and how this patch has ruined the feeling of Dota for many.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9Zv_TiVzmg

Thannks for the support all

[Leon]

Then after so many years since dota1 maybe its time to retire. If dota change into something new then let the new generation of players play it.

Afterall 7 years since Dota2 beta announce is not a short time. So maybe retirement not so bad of an idea and if this update trigger that its a win win solution for old player like yourself to finish your journey in dota2 in my opinion.

[BearOwlProwl]

Originally posted by Dante:

Then after so many years since dota1 maybe its time to retire. If dota change into something new then let the new generation of players play it.

Afterall 7 years since Dota2 beta announce is not a short time. So maybe retirement not so bad of an idea and if this update trigger that its a win win solution for old player like yourself to finish your journey in dota2 in my opinion.

Stop being a prick. There are plenty of people who don't like the patch.

And lastly Dota only saw a 16,000 player gain last month as a result of the patch. That's terrible when you consider upwards of 200,000 have stopped playing since April. Give it another 3-4 months we may be down to 100-200k average players per month (Down from 405k)

[Leon]

Originally posted by BearOwlProwl:

Originally posted by Dante:

Then after so many years since dota1 maybe its time to retire. If dota change into something new then let the new generation of players play it.

Afterall 7 years since Dota2 beta announce is not a short time. So maybe retirement not so bad of an idea and if this update trigger that its a win win solution for old player like yourself to finish your journey in dota2 in my opinion.

Stop being a prick. There are plenty of people who don't like the patch.

And lastly Dota only saw a 16,000 player gain last month as a result of the patch. That's terrible when you consider upwards of 200,000 have stopped playing since April. Give it another 3-4 months we may be down to 100-200k average players per month (Down from 405k)

How is giving an opinion and giving an advice to a player that play for 7-10 years long to retire at some point is the same as being a prick ??

And lastly why are you concern about Dota player count dropping or rising ? are you one of the valve owner ?

[JOM]

You know what. This game is turned into one of the crappiest games i have ever played. Gonna quit. gghf

[Harmonica]

WC3 Dota was often full of absolutely clowny nonsense that pales in comparison to most things in Dota 2, before this patch or after it. The game is founded on wacky hero designs and plenty of randomness, bugs that just stayed around and became mechanics, and so on.

It seems that the core values of Dota are not the game being the same forever, it's more about it constantly evolving and players adapting to it. I am sure that for a lot of players, neutral loot increasing gameplay variety and keeping them on their toes pretty much feels exactly like Dota should be.

Players would have the same 'huh?!' reaction if you went back to the start of Dota 2 and threw in all the new abilities, talents (?!) and shop items that are in the game today. There's a knowledge gap and nobody has enough experience of how these items work, on what heroes, at what stage in the game, and so on (and couriers on top of that). The playerbase is currently hard at work crunching all this new information and in a month it will have settled down.

Already, we start to see items more often being carried by certain heroes. Soon you will just expect that, at 30 minutes in the game, certain heroes will have one of a few neutral items. It won't be mind shattering. The individual games will be a little different but the Dota will not.

Dota is full of randomness and you know how to handle it. Last hitting - you never know what value you're going to attack for, and yet somehow you manage to correctly time your last hits because the range of values has become intuitive. These items are no different: there's a fixed set per each tier. You can anticipate items you need to watch out for. You adapt to the items that get dropped. Each tier in general has about the same impact each match at that time in the game, even if the items start to deviate more from each other as the game goes on (with the exception of the last tier, which is obviously designed for nutty esports moments).

Icefrog and Valve need to change the game in big ways in order to keep it healthy. New players and returning players are the lifeblood of any game - patches like this bring in new players and get veterans back playing again. That is a good thing even if there is also some churn in the player pool.

[edit: since you mention soccer 'drastically changing its rules' - this has happened many times, almost constantly throughout the history of the sport. Some very recently (offside being the best recent example). It was itself an offshoot of another game, with different rules. There were at times multiple different forms of football with different leagues. For example, the idea that you could kick the ball off the ground had people in uproar. But then kicking teams dominated everyone else and it became a vital part of the game. Most times, people complained about it but it went on to be a huge benefit. Current negative example is VAR, which at times feels like a change too far, but I don't know if VAR has infected football outside of Europe.]

[Absche]

I‘m not that traditionalist. I like video games to refresh once a while to challenge the player community and break automated habits. Makes me stay young and open minded. Other games do it seasonally, Dota2 has its major patches.

[Bon❄超変態駄目青年学生退屈日常自己嫌悪克服]

just play turbo
normal mode is stressful