More than 99m of matchmaking - game is so dead

[Chaython]

More than 99m of matchmaking - game is so dead
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1980839631

[BoOsTeR]

game is not dead . my matchmaking time is 5 sec , your matchmaking time is depend on 1- server 2- behavior score 3- priority ( fast queue and low priority ) 4- squad players 5- game mode

[Chaython]

as you can see someone else on the server also complained about 40m que still

[Azor]

guess most people aren't playing capitains mode solo/duo/trio

[Chaython]

I selected every mode and every role

[PROXY]

İlk olarak BoOsTeR tarafından gönderildi:

game is not dead . my matchmaking time is 5 sec , your matchmaking time is depend on 1- server 2- behavior score 3- priority ( fast queue and low priority ) 4- squad players 5- game mode

The game is almost dead.. its on ICU since 7.00.
280k players online atm.
if it isnt dead, what is it?

[Chaython]

280k users with the application open most of which seem to be bots spamming the chat advertising mmr boosting
Further you don't have to have the app open, there are scripts to say you're playing a game when you aren't
and lastly valve probably stuff these numbers for their games as it's their platform and they're at no obligation to be honest with those statistics as they're a private company.

[Killemajaro]

my very last game less than an hour ago, i queued for mid. took me 2 minutes to find a game, i only queued for US East. which lets be honest, is one of the least active servers of dota.

i'm feeling pretty confident, you only queued for captains mode and then tabbed out and watched a movie, came back and took a screenshot then came back here to cry about it.
no one plays that mode. ever. you will easily have a 99min queue if you queue for it, and that's your fault, not ours. it's a dead game mode that needs to be replaced with ranked turbo.

[Ulthwé]

İlk olarak Σ£ ßehavioℝ 666 tarafından gönderildi:

game finding is less than blizzard's warcraft when less than 30k players would be playing 2k games. this game is at its end. at best it might maybe have 2 more years if they don't do something about how they deal with bans / and actually maintain the game to the point where it's playable. The whole "behavior score" has potentially diced the matchmaking into oblivion as well.

honestly the game should do the following:
(1)
-> punish the act of game ruining, particularly throwing.
anyone who intentionally throws over a few lost CS is an a-hole that should never play carry ever. If it's so important that mid gets 2 or 3 tangos why doesn't the support just go mid and harass the midlaner instead of hanging around bottom? If 100 gold or 200 gold is so important then why not just babysit mid?

(2)
-> never mute anyone
players in game can mute other players, end of story, end of problem.

(3)
-> ditch "behavior score" entirely to bring matchmaking back to normal. with enough games a regular mmr system works just fine. trying to improve the quality of a select few players.... especially in the 1k to 2k bracket where their skill level isn't even remotely justified to get that kind of preferential game queue time... is ridiculous. The only thing behavior score is doing is slowly rotting the game to death. people get tired of long q times and get tired of being muted constantly due to the 3k rule. It used to be just don't allchat but now it's based on behavior instead. So retarded.

i really dont think the people running the show here really know how to maintain the game... DOTA is but a few edits from becoming about as interesting as some obscure indie game because of the hurdles it throws at players in terms of bans, mutes, and overall lack of a quality community PARTICULARLY for new players. The whole idea of having a reporting scheme that is so ELITIST and obscure as to how it's supposed to work (it clearly isn't) if you had to explain it to a new person..... I couldn't even explain to them how it makes the game better..... because it doesn't.

nobody educated is going to read this, they don't care.

BS highlighted the toxic behaviour. Normal people (without internet crashes won't go below 9k) and giving below that is already a bad sign, being 3k behaviour Scot means repetitive abandons and constant abuse most of the time, I'm glad they implemented this system. I encountered less feeders. I am talking about real feeders, the one who go under mid tower at minute 0.

[Killemajaro]

idk, i only see "captains mode" at the bottom, usually there would be a comma if there's another game mode after that. pretty sure he only queued for captains mode, took a screenshot then came here to complain

[Killemajaro]

İlk olarak Miaou tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Σ£ ßehavioℝ 666 tarafından gönderildi:

game finding is less than blizzard's warcraft when less than 30k players would be playing 2k games. this game is at its end. at best it might maybe have 2 more years if they don't do something about how they deal with bans / and actually maintain the game to the point where it's playable. The whole "behavior score" has potentially diced the matchmaking into oblivion as well.

honestly the game should do the following:
(1)
-> punish the act of game ruining, particularly throwing.
anyone who intentionally throws over a few lost CS is an a-hole that should never play carry ever. If it's so important that mid gets 2 or 3 tangos why doesn't the support just go mid and harass the midlaner instead of hanging around bottom? If 100 gold or 200 gold is so important then why not just babysit mid?

(2)
-> never mute anyone
players in game can mute other players, end of story, end of problem.

(3)
-> ditch "behavior score" entirely to bring matchmaking back to normal. with enough games a regular mmr system works just fine. trying to improve the quality of a select few players.... especially in the 1k to 2k bracket where their skill level isn't even remotely justified to get that kind of preferential game queue time... is ridiculous. The only thing behavior score is doing is slowly rotting the game to death. people get tired of long q times and get tired of being muted constantly due to the 3k rule. It used to be just don't allchat but now it's based on behavior instead. So retarded.

i really dont think the people running the show here really know how to maintain the game... DOTA is but a few edits from becoming about as interesting as some obscure indie game because of the hurdles it throws at players in terms of bans, mutes, and overall lack of a quality community PARTICULARLY for new players. The whole idea of having a reporting scheme that is so ELITIST and obscure as to how it's supposed to work (it clearly isn't) if you had to explain it to a new person..... I couldn't even explain to them how it makes the game better..... because it doesn't.

nobody educated is going to read this, they don't care.

BS highlighted the toxic behaviour. Normal people (without internet crashes won't go below 9k) and giving below that is already a bad sign, being 3k behaviour Scot means repetitive abandons and constant abuse most of the time, I'm glad they implemented this system. I encountered less feeders. I am talking about real feeders, the one who go under mid tower at minute 0.

actually, it's really easy to be under 9k. once you fall below 7k, you can't ever climb back up. it's kind of like mmr, your teammates just keep getting worse and worse. the same goes for behavioral.

[Ulthwé]

İlk olarak B8.p9 tarafından gönderildi:

İlk olarak Miaou tarafından gönderildi:

BS highlighted the toxic behaviour. Normal people (without internet crashes won't go below 9k) and giving below that is already a bad sign, being 3k behaviour Scot means repetitive abandons and constant abuse most of the time, I'm glad they implemented this system. I encountered less feeders. I am talking about real feeders, the one who go under mid tower at minute 0.

actually, it's really easy to be under 9k. once you fall below 7k, you can't ever climb back up. it's kind of like mmr, your teammates just keep getting worse and worse. the same goes for behavioral.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥, I went to 5k because of internet crash. I'm back to 10k now even if it took something like 2 months. It's impossible only you don't make any efforts...

[Woody]

Toxic people get longer queues, enjoy.

[BossGalaga]

İlk olarak Chaython tarafından gönderildi:

More than 99m of matchmaking - game is so dead
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1980839631

No, it's because like 20% of your matches are played in Low Priority.

[Woody]

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Toxic people get longer queues, enjoy.

it's a 5v5 game even if all 300K players are in game that's 60,000 games across at least 10 gateways to play on.... so maybe 6,000 games at once and you can only get in a game Q with someone withing a certain MMR of your own.

Maybe at best there would be 100 games per 100 mmr gap on your current gateway.... but once you take into account banned players etc, if all of those players "IN GAME" were actually playing you might have to wait half an hour for them to finish their game and hope none of them get sent directly to LP right after the game is done.

I could go one step further and say there is a 50% chance they're playing ranked and 50% chance they're playing unranked.... so maybe 10 concurrent games in a 100 mmr box. once you factor in the behavior scores of attempting to make fair matches using that.... all it takes is a lazy programmer to kill the game. I already explained that hillclimbing is affecting the game and yes it certainly is. People think higher behavior = more easily find a game but that's pretty much a lie. It's arbitrary and dependent on who is online and who is not.

Having a good behavior score is arbitrary. Whether you follow the rules or not if you are seen as why the team lost you will get reported. There once was a time when reports meant you might not ever be able to play ever again in a certain league. That system isn't the system they need here and yes the current system is so bad people aren't even really playing anymore.