Shiva guard or Assault cuirass

[niza,udin]

is shiva guard better than assault cuirass ? both shiva and cuirass have 15 bonus armor but shiva is more cheap than cuirass and shiva has active. why buy cuirass when you can buy shiva with lower gold than cuirass and has active ? I mean if you want armor why not buy shiva? Its a lot cheaper than cuirass. I never see someone who wants armor they buy shiva. Always see someone who wants armor they buy cuirass.

[Yukio]

They are different.
Assault Cuirass has armor reduction aura and adds a bit of Attack Speed.
Shivas Guard slows your enemies in range but offers nothing to your teamates.
(Also vision during active!)

[niza,udin]

Originally posted by 福島 ゆきお:

They are different.
Assault Cuirass has armor reduction aura and adds a bit of Attack Speed.
Shivas Guard slows your enemies in range but offers nothing to your teamates.
(Also vision during active!)

Here im talking about armor

[Ratt]

Originally posted by Tertinggal Solat Subuh:

Originally posted by 福島 ゆきお:

They are different.
Assault Cuirass has armor reduction aura and adds a bit of Attack Speed.
Shivas Guard slows your enemies in range but offers nothing to your teamates.
(Also vision during active!)

Here im talking about armor

The items' armour stats aren't independent of the rest of their properties. If all you want is the armour, get a platemail and a chainmail; it's cheaper. The AC aura and the Shiva active are very important parts of those items.

Strength carries and position 3 tanks tend to like AC because the former want a bit of attack speed on the thing that fixes their HP/armour imbalance and the latter are trying to protect their team. Intelligence supports (when they can afford it) and nukers tend to like Shiva because it gives a bunch of int, an extra nuke, and a gap closer. There are exceptions, and different matches have different conditions that can make one or the other item more favourable.

[zarse]

Originally posted by Tertinggal Solat Subuh:

why buy cuirass when you can buy shiva with lower gold than cuirass and has active ? I mean if you want armor why not buy shiva?

Because they do two different things nimrod. Shiva is a great teamfight item that slows the movement speed, DRAMATICALLY slows the attack speed for a short time, has AoE control for either picking off or running away from enemies, and also offers flying vision (emphasis on flying), Cuirass is fantastic if you wanna defend a push or just push their tier 3 towers with your team because your entire draft gets the attack speed, the barracks and towers get the armor nerf, and the entire enemy team also gets their armor nerfed and a bit of attack speed.
Shiva does much better than assault for fast engagements or pickoffs (it's core on Phoenix because it lasts about as much as you want your Supernova to go off), cuirass is just overall better on a lot of STR heros because they don't get anything from the INT bonus, while some INT heros are great Shiva's carriers because of their innate armor + aditive armor they get (Batrider, Storm spirit, Puck, OD, Silencer).

[Zagryzaec]

Assault cuirass is for ASSAULT.
Shiva's guard is for GUARD.

[MyPro_ゼロツー]

Originally posted by Zagryzaec:

Assault cuirass is for ASSAULT.
Shiva's guard is for GUARD.

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