rubick is a worthless hero. change my mind

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

and im not talking about his spell steal. that's a great ability and i love it.

problem, is, no matter how god an ult is. if the 3 other spells are♥♥♥♥♥♥ it's not going to change a damn thing.
and ALL of rubick's regular abilities are pure, steaming, hot piles of cow♥♥♥♥♥♥
Q - telekenises: oh wow you can lift someone in the aair and throw them around! so cool!
oh wait.
life duration is only 2 seconds at rank 4
you can only throw them a single inch away
target that is thrown is not stunned, only other enemies that it falls on... and only for an additinal 1.5 second. for 150 mana its incredibly weak.
any other stun in the game is much better

W - fade bolt: a pathetic nuke that only does 300 damage to a SINGLE target at rank 4.
oh sure, it jumps, but it reduces 16% damage per jump. so by the 3rd jump it does pathetic, neglibgable damage
its damage reduction is laughable, half the time its straight up useless since it its someone that doesn't rely on right-clicks.
and when you do, they already have so much damage it makes no difference
any other single tatget nukes either deal about 400 damage, heave low mana cost or have additional CC effects that actually matter in a team fiht or lane

E - null field - 22% magic res at rank 4. has 0 impact. it doesn't do anything that contributes to a team fight.
reversing null field to make the enemy take extra magic damage is better but only slightly, and that's only if you have more spellcasters on your team.

so all in all, rubick's kit is awful. its bad in early game because of low damage. and high mana cost
terrible in late game because very little CC and huge cooldowns.

and no godllike spell stealing can compensate for how atrocious rubic's basic kit is

[Honorable Pig]

this jew aint so jolly

[Fistraiser]

Op fade bolt pusing in creep waves is just like any other spell from any support that can hit more than one enemy.It just depends on when you are casting it and if there are multiple enemies nearby.
Its a really bad example,The same could be argued for a lot of suppot hero skills.Eg cm's crystal nova,Lions stun,All of Sandkings spells,2 of dazzle spells etc.The list goes on and on.

Thought you'll notice what most of them dont do is reduce enemy hero damage which overall is still a better tradeoff and potential for less xp and gold for enemy hero in lane.

you are also wrong saying that throwing enemy into trees isnt a big deal.In soem team fights it really is.Be it making it easier to target multiple enemies who were useing trees to hide behind during fight or making it easier for your team mates to chase down enemy heros in the area of fight.
I do agree that getting aghs or blink can be an issue with the hero but if you really need one its up to your team mates to let you get a bit of farm for it.
I think maybe Rubick needs a gpm talent to offset this issue although that might make the hero too strong consider the advantage aghs does give the hero.

[ɹǝǝpᴉnbS™]

Stuff posted on this forum never having an actual impact towards changes/decisions in the game aside, Rubick's former three abilities are fairly basic because they're supposed to be.

Telekinesis deals no damage, However as others have already said, It's not to supposed to deal damage. It's a stun that also doubles as a repositioning tool. It's great for setting up into other heroes spells that have a delay/Low range. Additionally while it won't affect the lifted target, The landing is an AoE stun. This is great for disrupting a response that the opposing team tries to make.

Fade Bolt's damage may be reduced between jumps, However the Attack Reduction retains the same amount to all targets. It does not have a cap to the number of jumps it can make, Which makes it a useful tool for pushing/defending objectives.

Null Field is a free Veil of Discord/Pipe of Insight, Which stacks with both of those items. Amplications tend to stack better than resistances, However both are pretty viable. The amp is particular I find is more useful to Rubick when stacked with the +75% Spell Damage talent.

All of these spells collectively or individually have good synergy with practically every ability you could take with Spell Steal, Which is the point of them. Few abilities (such as Legion Commander's Duel) have no synergy with Rubick's spells. If they all only had one small purpose, It would nerf the usefulness of Spell Steal, As you would need more items/Gold to compensate.

[Toeli]

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

Any hero in Dota is only worth as much as the person playing them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zi75N2yO_p0

Great video, thank you.

[Fistraiser]

I dont think you really need any of those skills to synergize with lc's ulti.
What most LC players dont understand is that its a great lockdown spell and not just about accumilating duel damage.
Technically though you could take Rubicks attack damage talent to make it semi useful for damage output.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

ok maybe i was skilling him wrong. the problem with rubick is that his early game is an utter disaster compared to every other support.
maybe is discard telekenesis at low levels and just focus my skill points on null field + fade bolt i could have better harassment power and the ability to fight the enemy carry. without starving for mana

[use_of_a_body]

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

and im not talking about his spell steal. that's a great ability and i love it.

problem, is, no matter how god an ult is. if the 3 other spells are♥♥♥♥♥♥ it's not going to change a damn thing.
and ALL of rubick's regular abilities are pure, steaming, hot piles of cow♥♥♥♥♥♥
Q - telekenises: oh wow you can lift someone in the aair and throw them around! so cool!
oh wait.
life duration is only 2 seconds at rank 4
you can only throw them a single inch away
target that is thrown is not stunned, only other enemies that it falls on... and only for an additinal 1.5 second. for 150 mana its incredibly weak.
any other stun in the game is much better

W - fade bolt: a pathetic nuke that only does 300 damage to a SINGLE target at rank 4.
oh sure, it jumps, but it reduces 16% damage per jump. so by the 3rd jump it does pathetic, neglibgable damage
its damage reduction is laughable, half the time its straight up useless since it its someone that doesn't rely on right-clicks.
and when you do, they already have so much damage it makes no difference
any other single tatget nukes either deal about 400 damage, heave low mana cost or have additional CC effects that actually matter in a team fiht or lane

E - null field - 22% magic res at rank 4. has 0 impact. it doesn't do anything that contributes to a team fight.
reversing null field to make the enemy take extra magic damage is better but only slightly, and that's only if you have more spellcasters on your team.

so all in all, rubick's kit is awful. its bad in early game because of low damage. and high mana cost
terrible in late game because very little CC and huge cooldowns.

and no godllike spell stealing can compensate for how atrocious rubic's basic kit is

Seems like you might not
know how to play him.

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

ok maybe i was skilling him wrong. the problem with rubick is that his early game is an utter disaster compared to every other support.
maybe is discard telekenesis at low levels and just focus my skill points on null field + fade bolt i could have better harassment power and the ability to fight the enemy carry. without starving for mana

But you wouldnt.because regardless of your hatred for it telekenis is a reliable disable.This means enemy hero cant move and you're carry can easily kill them.You're looking at the hero completly wrong as a support.you're thinking like a carry and this is your issue.Rubick is not a carry he is a support.Its not his job to 1vs1 carries.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

go ahead and tell me how to play with him then, smartass.

i wouldn't make this thread if i didn't want to be do good with him.

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

go ahead and tell me how to play with him then, smartass.

i wouldn't make this thread if i didn't want to be do good with him.

Someones clearly triggered.Anyway at this stage you've made it clear that is not rubicks spells that are the issue.Its that you have no idea how to play as a support role.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

go ahead and tell me how to play with him then, smartass.

i wouldn't make this thread if i didn't want to be do good with him.

Someones clearly triggered.Anyway at this stage you've made it clear that is not rubicks spells that are the issue.Its that you have no idea how to play as a support role.

i play support all the time. i do perfectly fine with other "complex" supports like shadow demon, pheonix or winter wyvern.
because when the enemy picks a fight i have powerful abilities that either makes them back away or allow my carry to pick up a kill.

it can't be done with rubick because his disable has a painfull short range, does no damage and costs absurd amount of mana for what it does.
and his nuke does pathetic damage.
so more often than not, after using up both spells, nothing prevents the enemy from ganging up on either of us and getting an easy kill

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Someones clearly triggered.Anyway at this stage you've made it clear that is not rubicks spells that are the issue.Its that you have no idea how to play as a support role.

i play support all the time. i do perfectly fine with other "complex" supports like shadow demon, pheonix or winter wyvern.
because when the enemy picks a fight i have powerful abilities that either makes them back away or allow my carry to pick up a kill.

it can't be done with rubick because his disable has a painfull short range, does no damage and costs absurd amount of mana for what it does.
and his nuke does pathetic damage.
so more often than not, after using up both spells, nothing prevents the enemy from ganging up on either of us and getting an easy kill

There is more to playing support than nuking the enemy carry.A lot more.You have a lot to learn about playing support properly.
You have yet to provide a decent post to make me believe you truly understand the role of support.

[S R]

This is a legendary troll thread.

[Crunktanium]

I think hes for real tho. Guy would have never made it as a healer in any major MMO.

JJ: Guys dis heals sucks I can't kill the enemies my spells is useless
Group: Shaddup do you job and heal
JJ: But guys seriously this class is the suck
JJ: I can't healz de enemy to death and help you kill baddies
Group: Lrn2heal or play another class moron
Group: /kick worthless tool

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by Jolly Jew:

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

First off, you claimed that you "never" complained about any other heroes. That was a lie. Now you claim those are 3-4 year old threads. The first post I quoted was from this year. Another lie. All you do is cry and lie, lie and cry.

so not remembering something constitutes as intetional lies now??
and instead of just adressing the argument and explaining why you think im wrong you just attack me personally and insult me with ludicrious accusations.
you just an infantile, toxic a**hole that can't handle arguments. F off

You're the one who in a feigned rage, claimed you had neeeeever complained on a repeated basis, then you claimed that all those complaints were years old, even the very first one was fairly recent. So instead of addressing the criticism towards you, you claimed that the criticism was a lie and now you're pretending to be persecuted and "personally insulted with ludicrous accusations." It's a cute little pretend martyr act but I'm not buying it buddy.