meta discussion on why dota is bad now

[Archimonde]

i think the overall reason dota is bad is due to the new mindset that has been brought to the game. it's also why the game is vastly more fotm and broken and absurd a lot of the time. it's absurd in a very specific way.

old dota heroes were much less op overall, partly due to lack of level ability gains. also generally speaking gold was much harder to come by, as were levels, and the punishment for death was far more severe.

essentially in earlier dota you are much weaker.

this led to optimization based on counterpicking the other team. because at the very least you want to be able to have success against one enemy player.

in contrast, today heroes are generally much more powerful and also harder to counter due to things like level talents, comeback gold etc. instead of counterpicking teams are more likely to focus on synergy and just creating the most op team possible.

maybe this is why valve keeps changing the meta. actually this is precisely why. otherwise very very few heroes would ever be viable.

this is in fact a very bad and superficial way of balancing the game since instead of making pick choice a tactical strategic decision, it becomes very rote and robotic.

it becomes a pre game math or puzzle problem where you know what the most op heroes and teams are going in and counterpicking is devalued while just having the most fotm team is emphasized.

their balancing style is now more like LOL and less tactical in that sense as well.

anyway, valve should imo reject this mentality if they want the game to be an actual strategy game not a meta puzzle brawler or whatever it is now.

[SpaceMariner]

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This game turned into Rock, Paper, Scissors with toxic monkeys.

[SushiJaguar]

The game right now really isn't much different if you read the first paragraph of your own post.

[Archimonde]

Originally posted by SushiJaguar:

The game right now really isn't much different if you read the first paragraph of your own post.

maybe read the whole post then?

[SushiJaguar]

Not when it's just bait.

[Archimonde]

Originally posted by SushiJaguar:

Not when it's just bait.

nice troll. nice bait attempt.

by the way, when i say op or "meta" heroes, i don't just mean win rate.

making counterpicking central also makes less overall powerful heroes valuable to their unique skillset to counter specific enemy heroes and makes the game more complex in that sense.

instead of in the present where you 1 of the 10% of viable heroes no matter what.

anyway like i said, good troll. go post elsewhere

[SpaceMariner]

Originally posted by scotch-n-cola:

Originally posted by SushiJaguar:

Not when it's just bait.

nice troll. nice bait attempt.

by the way, when i say op or "meta" heroes, i don't just mean win rate.

making counterpicking central also makes less overall powerful heroes valuable to their unique skillset to counter specific enemy heroes and makes the game more complex in that sense.

instead of in the present where you 1 of the 10% of viable heroes no matter what.

anyway like i said, good troll. go post elsewhere

Talent tree ruin some heroes like Naga Siren isn't really hard carry now. She was queen of split push but not anymore and her illusions give pretty much gold to enemy in late game.
Dota is kinda only depends on Area of Effect now.

[hrooza]

old times had one or 2 op heroes at a time it was just silly at least if everyone is op nobody is op

really you complain about op comp when before you auto lose to lesharc mid or sniper/troll pick and some heroes were trash for long

also you can counter anyhero with items now and being harder to counter dont make game easier or simpler in anyway

no offense but it seem some low end players are blaming the game balance for their lack of skills and are enable to rise or adept to the meta

[Archimonde]

Originally posted by hrooza:

old times had one or 2 op heroes at a time it was just silly at least if everyone is op nobody is op

really you complain about op comp when before you auto lose to lesharc mid or sniper/troll pick and some heroes were trash for long

also you can counter anyhero with items now and being harder to counter dont make game easier or simpler in anyway

no offense but it seem some low end players are blaming the game balance for their lack of skills and are enable to rise or adept to the meta

as you noted it is harder now to counter heroes in general. how does that not lead to more imbalance.

i liked the older counterpicking meta much more.

also if every hero has a counter, then no hero is ultimately op

[hrooza]

Originally posted by scotch-n-cola:

Originally posted by hrooza:

old times had one or 2 op heroes at a time it was just silly at least if everyone is op nobody is op

really you complain about op comp when before you auto lose to lesharc mid or sniper/troll pick and some heroes were trash for long

also you can counter anyhero with items now and being harder to counter dont make game easier or simpler in anyway

no offense but it seem some low end players are blaming the game balance for their lack of skills and are enable to rise or adept to the meta

as you noted it is harder now to counter heroes in general. how does that not lead to more imbalance.

i liked the older counterpicking meta much more.

also if every hero has a counter, then no hero is ultimately op

tbh i cant see how heroes being harder to counter make game imbalanced?

in fact im not sure how heroes get harder to counter when more items like aoen disk that counter heroes get released?

if you like the old meta then thats your opnion and your opnion does not make this meta auto suck

and everyhero have counters name 1 that does not have counters

also old leshrac had a very very very hard way to counter lol thats the real op ♥♥♥♥

[SpaceMariner]

Originally posted by scotch-n-cola:

Originally posted by hrooza:

old times had one or 2 op heroes at a time it was just silly at least if everyone is op nobody is op

really you complain about op comp when before you auto lose to lesharc mid or sniper/troll pick and some heroes were trash for long

also you can counter anyhero with items now and being harder to counter dont make game easier or simpler in anyway

no offense but it seem some low end players are blaming the game balance for their lack of skills and are enable to rise or adept to the meta

as you noted it is harder now to counter heroes in general. how does that not lead to more imbalance.

i liked the older counterpicking meta much more.

also if every hero has a counter, then no hero is ultimately op

Yes,
If we speak as average active player stats, more player compared to currently state of Dota 2 and these times are most fun part of Dota 2.

[Archimonde]

Originally posted by hrooza:

Originally posted by scotch-n-cola:

as you noted it is harder now to counter heroes in general. how does that not lead to more imbalance.

i liked the older counterpicking meta much more.

also if every hero has a counter, then no hero is ultimately op

tbh i cant see how heroes being harder to counter make game imbalanced?

in fact im not sure how heroes get harder to counter when more items like aoen disk that counter heroes get released?

if you like the old meta then thats your opnion and your opnion does not make this meta auto suck

and everyhero have counters name 1 that does not have counters

also old leshrac had a very very very hard way to counter lol thats the real op ♥♥♥♥

the problem is that certain meta heroes have such good synergy that counterpicking becomes pointless.

going with the optimum synergetic team is more important than counterpicking, which makes the meta incredibly limiting.

it leada to a top 10% meta which is why valve the scrambles the meta constantly-because of how limiting it in reality is

[theo]

Originally posted by scotch-n-cola:

Originally posted by hrooza:

tbh i cant see how heroes being harder to counter make game imbalanced?

in fact im not sure how heroes get harder to counter when more items like aoen disk that counter heroes get released?

if you like the old meta then thats your opnion and your opnion does not make this meta auto suck

and everyhero have counters name 1 that does not have counters

also old leshrac had a very very very hard way to counter lol thats the real op ♥♥♥♥

the problem is that certain meta heroes have such good synergy that counterpicking becomes pointless.

going with the optimum synergetic team is more important than counterpicking, which makes the meta incredibly limiting.

it leada to a top 10% meta which is why valve the scrambles the meta constantly-because of how limiting it in reality is

Or maybe the person your facing is just better than you at the game? If you are really good with the hero you can find a way to counter your counter.

[hrooza]

Originally posted by scotch-n-cola:

Originally posted by hrooza:

tbh i cant see how heroes being harder to counter make game imbalanced?

in fact im not sure how heroes get harder to counter when more items like aoen disk that counter heroes get released?

if you like the old meta then thats your opnion and your opnion does not make this meta auto suck

and everyhero have counters name 1 that does not have counters

also old leshrac had a very very very hard way to counter lol thats the real op ♥♥♥♥

the problem is that certain meta heroes have such good synergy that counterpicking becomes pointless.

going with the optimum synergetic team is more important than counterpicking, which makes the meta incredibly limiting.

it leada to a top 10% meta which is why valve the scrambles the meta constantly-because of how limiting it in reality is

what heroes? if theres a combo there will be a counter combo as will just like the old days
combos are that combos they are not supposed to be easy to counter some stuff are easier to counter now then old times

also theres much more then 10% meta going on and valve are trying to do new things

back in the day there was less then 10% meta and it was way worse most of the time

i would like from you to give names of things that are uncounterable

[Honestly though]

kinda seems like you'e just on a salty lose streak tbh, you have a whole community of competitive players, if there is a set of heroes that is too op, people will find a way to work around it.

life finds a way.

(also if there is a perfect combo that cannot be stopped at all then dota'll fix it pretty quick)

[Archimonde]

Originally posted by Honestly though:

kinda seems like you'e just on a salty lose streak tbh, you have a whole community of competitive players, if there is a set of heroes that is too op, people will find a way to work around it.

life finds a way.

(also if there is a perfect combo that cannot be stopped at all then dota'll fix it pretty quick)

the whole point is that the meta is overall worse