HELP! - Q: "Is this site a scam?" A: Probably!

[Felix]

First of all, compliments for checking this thread and being vigilant.

The short answer is: Until proven otherwise, assume the website is indeed a scam.

There are many more scam sites out there than legitimate sites and it's impossible for us to list them all.

While many scam sites are blocked (shown as {LINK REMOVED}http://sleamcommunity.com ) it's easy to make a new site and spam this, especially when often the accounts hijacked are used to spread even more links, or if certain sites use referral programs to trick you into spreading the website even more.

Scam sites are often professionally built, have a convincing proposition and are well operated.
They also come in many forms and continuously evolve, as a result of various steps taken to protect you from these sites.

Don't be fooled though - they are most probably malicious using typically the same approaches to deceive people:

• Requiring deposits of real world currency to access items from the site.
  
• Requesting trade of items for nothing in return - gifting your items to a trade bot on the site.
  
• Offering any form of credit to participate in activities on the site.

Even if what the site is offering is different to what is described above you should still not trust it:

• What is 'legitimate' today, is unlikely to be tomorrow - having some 'winners' establishes that legitimacy (and are often their own accounts).
  
• Claims made that a site is not a scam are simply a part of the scam or malicious.
  
• It is too good to be true and don't give into your fear of missing out.

Steam has a very clear position on these third party sites. This is outlined in the following Steam news item - In-Game Item Trading Update.

If you follow the Account Security Recommendations and follow the other instructions, links at the bottom, you should encounter no issues.

Points to note:

• Any appearances of legitimacy through the use services such as Steam login are a misuse of the Steam OpenID API or an attempt at account hijacking.
  
• Steam has no business relationships with any of these third party sites.

Please be aware that if you have fallen victim to a scam site, unfortunately the Steam Community cannot assist you with the recovery of real world currency and/or any items.


Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Please refer to the following Steam Support pages for further information:

- Trade Scam FAQ
- Account Security Recommendations

[jin]

Noticed.

[Ah Zong]

This post is a legend.

[Deepbluediver]

While I love that we're finally getting threads like this, the vast majority of people who get scammed have never visited the forum before. Check any of the whining threads and 9 times out of 10, that's their first post.
So good idea, but unfortunately I'm not sure how much impact it will have.

Edit: I honestly hope I'm wrong though.

[hehe]

i have made this kind of post before nobody listens lol

[jin]

Originally posted by Cute:

i have made this kind of post before nobody listens lol

Been lots of threads like this.

[Felix]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

While I love that we're finally getting threads like this, the vast majority of people who get scammed have never visited the forum before. Check any of the whining threads and 9 times out of 10, that's there first post.
So good idea, but unfortunately I'm not sure how much impact it will have.

Edit: I honestly hope I'm wrong though.

It's not only about giving an extra resource for those looking, but also for giving helpful players on the forums a thread to link to if/when someone creates a thread about being scammed.

[Alison]

Originally posted by i am not sumiya :c:

Originally posted by Cute:

i have made this kind of post before nobody listens lol

Because you're not Felix :)

Felix Kjellberg?

[jin]

Originally posted by King For a Day!:

y all these comments give me notification? how turn it off?

Click "Unsubscribe from discussion" at your right.

[ImageryGuy]

Yeah, so scams. An ounce of prvention is worth a pound of cure.

1. Never ever ever put your real birthday (actual day you were born) date on social media
2. Never ever ever click a link sent to you via email/smartphone/etc. Open a new browser, type the website in and log in. Often, emails have false links to false websites to steal your login id, password, etc.
3. Never ever ever access your steam account or email account from public computers; if for some reason you do need to do that, ensure the browser history, username, passwords, etc is cleared before you stop using that public computer; also make sure others can not see your login info
4. Double-check all users in your steam account friends list: often, you can identify 'suspect' users that may attempt to steal/hack your account; a clue is others have posted 'this player steals acct' on that user profile
5. Get rid of Kaspersky software, due to suspicions [ https://www.nytimes.com/2017/09/13/us/politics/kaspersky-lab-antivirus-federal-government.html ] of possible links to Russian security services.
6. Use a strong password with symbols, numbers, etc and change the password often for your steam account. An additional layer of protection can be attained on steam account and your email account by activating smartphone apps and/or texts to prevent your account being stolen.
*Note: (from google search -- https://www.betterbuys.com/estimating-password-cracking-times/)
How long will it take to crack a 12 character password?
Nine-character passwords take five days to break, 10-character words take four months, and 11-character passwords take 10 years. Make it up to 12 characters, and you're looking at 200 years' worth of security – not bad for one little letter.

[XX]

If you are aware of the problem and how they use the flaws in your platform to scam people, highligting the YOU KNOW THE PROBLEM part, you (SETEAM/VALVE) are legally responsible or AT LEAST CO-Respobsible for the scams.


You, VALEV/STEAM will be HOLD LEGALLY RESPOBSIBLE in ANY COURT dispute in pretty much all legal systems existing in country with a developed legal system. US, All Europe and all the major countries in latin america. Also, countries looking to apply to the EU as Customer Laws and Civil rights are standarized and cover these practices with, inclusively, history of similar cases ruled in favor of the less sufficient part on the quarrel.

So, yeah, you can tell everyone you want you are not responsiblae for it, but the law is the law and does not considere waht you said if you haven´t considering legal compliance.

[XX]

Bottom line is: STEAM/VALVE ARE LEGALLY RESPOBSIBLE for most of the cases I followed on reports and reviews.

My professional opinion is: Just give these people their sutff back and simply block those sites from your (STEAM/VALVE) platform.

[gold_cfg]

почему не заходит?

[The One They Call Dante]

Originally posted by MacTUSHY:

If you are aware of the problem and how they use the flaws in your platform to scam people, highligting the YOU KNOW THE PROBLEM part, you (SETEAM/VALVE) are legally responsible or AT LEAST CO-Respobsible for the scams.


You, VALEV/STEAM will be HOLD LEGALLY RESPOBSIBLE in ANY COURT dispute in pretty much all legal systems existing in country with a developed legal system. US, All Europe and all the major countries in latin america. Also, countries looking to apply to the EU as Customer Laws and Civil rights are standarized and cover these practices with, inclusively, history of similar cases ruled in favor of the less sufficient part on the quarrel.

So, yeah, you can tell everyone you want you are not responsiblae for it, but the law is the law and does not considere waht you said if you haven´t considering legal compliance.

Ok, I normally don’t jump in the fray on these types of discussions, but this is so far from fact, it irritates me.

One, the Steam Subscriber Agreement clearly defines the account as your and you are ultimately responsible for the items associated with your account. If you have anything that contradicts that, provide the law firm you used as counsel and the supporting documents.

Second, they are not even close to being responsible for the actions of a lot of greedy people who are trying to take advantage of people using an open API. They have been issuing cease and desist letters to the web host providers to be shutting these sites down but, going back to my previous point, you need to have some accountability for your actions. If you dump your items into those sites, it’s on you. Not the script kiddie who spent thirty bucks on the site all together. Valve has been taking action. You need to be equally aware.

There’s a bunch of other legal terms you jammed in there that, quite frankly, wouldn’t hold water in ANY court. If you really think that you have merit, let us know. But good luck, because you’re going to need it.

[XX]

Originally posted by The One They Call Dante:

Originally posted by MacTUSHY:

If you are aware of the problem and how they use the flaws in your platform to scam people, highligting the YOU KNOW THE PROBLEM part, you (SETEAM/VALVE) are legally responsible or AT LEAST CO-Respobsible for the scams.


You, VALEV/STEAM will be HOLD LEGALLY RESPOBSIBLE in ANY COURT dispute in pretty much all legal systems existing in country with a developed legal system. US, All Europe and all the major countries in latin america. Also, countries looking to apply to the EU as Customer Laws and Civil rights are standarized and cover these practices with, inclusively, history of similar cases ruled in favor of the less sufficient part on the quarrel.

So, yeah, you can tell everyone you want you are not responsiblae for it, but the law is the law and does not considere waht you said if you haven´t considering legal compliance.

Ok, I normally don’t jump in the fray on these types of discussions, but this is so far from fact, it irritates me.

One, the Steam Subscriber Agreement clearly defines the account as your and you are ultimately responsible for the items associated with your account. If you have anything that contradicts that, provide the law firm you used as counsel and the supporting documents.

Second, they are not even close to being responsible for the actions of a lot of greedy people who are trying to take advantage of people using an open API. They have been issuing cease and desist letters to the web host providers to be shutting these sites down but, going back to my previous point, you need to have some accountability for your actions. If you dump your items into those sites, it’s on you. Not the script kiddie who spent thirty bucks on the site all together. Valve has been taking action. You need to be equally aware.

There’s a bunch of other legal terms you jammed in there that, quite frankly, wouldn’t hold water in ANY court. If you really think that you have merit, let us know. But good luck, because you’re going to need it.

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This is YOUR OPINION.. What laws (Civil Law Based System) or cases (Comon-law Based Systems) did you based your response on:

[The One They Call Dante]

Originally posted by MacTUSHY:

Originally posted by The One They Call Dante:

Ok, I normally don’t jump in the fray on these types of discussions, but this is so far from fact, it irritates me.

One, the Steam Subscriber Agreement clearly defines the account as your and you are ultimately responsible for the items associated with your account. If you have anything that contradicts that, provide the law firm you used as counsel and the supporting documents.

Second, they are not even close to being responsible for the actions of a lot of greedy people who are trying to take advantage of people using an open API. They have been issuing cease and desist letters to the web host providers to be shutting these sites down but, going back to my previous point, you need to have some accountability for your actions. If you dump your items into those sites, it’s on you. Not the script kiddie who spent thirty bucks on the site all together. Valve has been taking action. You need to be equally aware.

There’s a bunch of other legal terms you jammed in there that, quite frankly, wouldn’t hold water in ANY court. If you really think that you have merit, let us know. But good luck, because you’re going to need it.

]


This is YOUR OPINION.. What laws (Civil Law Based System) or cases (Comon-law Based Systems) did you based your response on:

None. I read the readers digest version of the thing I clicked “I Agree”.

I would love to see your evidence though. As I mentioned, provide the law firms you discussed your issues with and supporting documents.