Nullfier vs shallow grave (dazzle)

[Piedone Rage Mode]

So...quick question does it purge the shallow grave or not?
the item description besides the mute thingy it says that it can dispel the enemy hero from his buffs.
ive used it in matches but it doesnt seem to work am i doing something wrong or did i missread something?

[Piedone Rage Mode]

my god...that explains i was scared of this answer.

[Piedone Rage Mode]

but in some way its really stupid.you should be able or at least an item like nullfier should do that...oh well...at least i know now.

[Fort Yves]

It only dispells dispellable buffs.

I don't see the point on making Shallow Grave dispellable since its effect is only to prevent the player from getting below 1HP.

[Border Czar Harris]

axe ignores Shallow Grave?

[Piedone Rage Mode]

Originally posted by Fort Lahns:

It only dispells dispellable buffs.

I don't see the point on making Shallow Grave dispellable since its effect is only to prevent the player from getting below 1HP.

The thing is it should be dispelleble for a couple of reasons:
1.Nullfire is not really a cheap item and basically in late game shallow grave can easily save someone important
2.Think about this...one quick example Dazzle/Huskar.Giving a huskar thats low hp hallow grave and letting him burst down other people in fact almost an entire team if hes fully equipped can be indeed very powerful in the hands of someone who actually know how to play the combo.Now you understand?

[Piedone Rage Mode]

I used to play heroes of newerth and there was a hero called martyr something like dazzle if we talk about the same ability and an item called "nullfier" exactly like in dota 2 that basically dispelled imediatly the buff.

[hrooza]

a good way to counter dazzle combos is to kill him first he cant tank ♥♥♥♥ and cant save ppl if he is dead (if you force him to grave himself then thats enough

Originally posted by Shades:

I used to play heroes of newerth and there was a hero called martyr something like dazzle if we talk about the same ability and an item called "nullfier" exactly like in dota 2 that basically dispelled imediatly the buff.

that is another game and both have their ways to balance their games

[Duchess Minty]

Oh hey its the "it's this way in X so it should be the same in dota 2" argument again. Shallow Grave has never to my knowledge been dispellable outside of Culling Blade, would be dumb to make it dispellable by Nullifier since it provides a basic dispel.


Basically Shallow Grave would be completely worthless if that change was made. Also why are you buying such an expensive item with a powerful effect for the secondary benefit?

[Fort Yves]

Originally posted by Shades:

Originally posted by Fort Lahns:

It only dispells dispellable buffs.

I don't see the point on making Shallow Grave dispellable since its effect is only to prevent the player from getting below 1HP.

The thing is it should be dispelleble for a couple of reasons:
1.Nullfire is not really a cheap item and basically in late game shallow grave can easily save someone important
2.Think about this...one quick example Dazzle/Huskar.Giving a huskar thats low hp hallow grave and letting him burst down other people in fact almost an entire team if hes fully equipped can be indeed very powerful in the hands of someone who actually know how to play the combo.Now you understand?

So? There are hundreds of items that can counter that combo. Valve isnt gonna spoonfeed everything so that playing is easier for you. That Dazzle-Huskar combo has existed sind Dota 1. Its not that gamebreaking

[Metal Arms]

Originally posted by Lady Mint:

Oh hey its the "it's this way in X so it should be the same in dota 2" argument again. Shallow Grave has never to my knowledge been dispellable outside of Culling Blade, would be dumb to make it dispellable by Nullifier since it provides a basic dispel.


Basically Shallow Grave would be completely worthless if that change was made. Also why are you buying such an expensive item with a powerful effect for the secondary benefit?

culling blade doesnt dispell grave, it straight up donts gives a fk if the target is in the threshold. because you can grave someone n heal them over threshold and it does magical damage leaving grave on, either way too.

[Metal Arms]

Originally posted by Shades:

Originally posted by Fort Lahns:

It only dispells dispellable buffs.

I don't see the point on making Shallow Grave dispellable since its effect is only to prevent the player from getting below 1HP.

The thing is it should be dispelleble for a couple of reasons:
1.Nullfire is not really a cheap item and basically in late game shallow grave can easily save someone important
2.Think about this...one quick example Dazzle/Huskar.Giving a huskar thats low hp hallow grave and letting him burst down other people in fact almost an entire team if hes fully equipped can be indeed very powerful in the hands of someone who actually know how to play the combo.Now you understand?

1. orchid.
2. halb.

[Piedone Rage Mode]

Tnks for opening my eyes guys.Am still dissapointed somehow but like that guy said you cant compare x with y when it comes to mobas.Thanks again for your time!