Dire heroes vs radiant heroes

[hy]

In some of the dota 1 versions I played you could only pick radiant or neutral heroes if you were radiant. Not sure if there is already a discussion about this but why isn't there a dota 2 format like that? Would make games more interesting and would potentially help choices now that there are so many heroes to choose from and there seem to always be more added.
Thoughts?

[Ah Zong]

I agree. Since now the faction of heroes has nothing to do with the game and is slowly deprecated. But, what is a neutral hero? Never heard of that even in DotA.

[Super Turbo Donkey Puncher]

Wasnt it nm? Normal Mode? I do remember that in wc3 dota

[Woody]

Radiant have ~10 more heroes than dire and radiant side already has a 6% winrate advantage over the dire side in normal games, I imagine it would suck to get dire in that gamemode.

[Ah Zong]

Originally posted by Woody:

Radiant have ~10 more heroes than dire and radiant side already has a 6% winrate advantage over the dire side in normal games, I imagine it would suck to get dire in that gamemode.

That's a factor I haven't thought with.

[hy]

Originally posted by i am not sumiya :c:

I agree. Since now the faction of heroes has nothing to do with the game and is slowly deprecated. But, what is a neutral hero? Never heard of that even in DotA.

Maybe not neutral but there was a pool that could be chosen by either side, like not 100% good or evil heroes. Like sniper and omni are radiant and pudge and doom are dire, but i think others didn't have a 100% allegence to either side and could be picked by either team e.g. ursa or pa

[hy]

Originally posted by Woody:

Radiant have ~10 more heroes than dire and radiant side already has a 6% winrate advantage over the dire side in normal games, I imagine it would suck to get dire in that gamemode.

Maybe although if you look at both sides dire have some pretty awesome heroes https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Hero_Grid
and banning could make it more interesting
Plus I guess that current stat doesn't include mixed sides so it's hard to say if it would be different
Also if the heroes without full alliance to either side were in a pool available to both teams it wouldn't be so 1 sided hopefully

[Ah Zong]

Originally posted by hy:

Originally posted by i am not sumiya :c:

I agree. Since now the faction of heroes has nothing to do with the game and is slowly deprecated. But, what is a neutral hero? Never heard of that even in DotA.

Maybe not neutral but there was a pool that could be chosen by either side, like not 100% good or evil heroes. Like sniper and omni are radiant and pudge and doom are dire, but i think others didn't have a 100% allegence to either side and could be picked by either team e.g. ursa or pa

So heroes like Ursa and PA are considered as neutral heroes in DotA?

[TizianOwO]

Surprised if there's not an arcade game that already does this, seems like something kinda obvious if it's easy enough to implement.

[Ah Zong]

Originally posted by Yoshikage Kira:

Surprised if there's not an arcade game that already does this, seems like something kinda obvious if it's easy enough to implement.

+1

[Си́нтез]

Then they should create both radiant and dire from scratch and redesign some heroes. The current radian-dire system would be terribly broken.... and pointless.

[Ah Zong]

Originally posted by Ratboy:

Then they should create both radiant and dire from scratch and redesign some heroes. The current radian-dire system would be terribly broken.... and pointless.

Pointless no. It makes the game more interesting.

[Ah Zong]

Originally posted by No class era:

Originally posted by i am not sumiya :c:

Pointless no. It makes the game more interesting.

Cola is life

So as Dota.

[Си́нтез]

Originally posted by i am not sumiya :c:

Originally posted by Ratboy:

Then they should create both radiant and dire from scratch and redesign some heroes. The current radian-dire system would be terribly broken.... and pointless.

Pointless no. It makes the game more interesting.

It may serve the game fitmrst few minutes, but deep in game, you would not care about those factions. There is no story, not much dialogue, no anything. most heroes have 0 connection to each other, 99% of lore was left with blizzard and their projects. Maybe if you look at the game strictly through prism of OCD, then maybe radiant-dire separation makes a lot of sense. Otherwise it is just useless layer, that wipes many combos from existence.

[Ah Zong]

Originally posted by Ratboy:

Originally posted by i am not sumiya :c:

Pointless no. It makes the game more interesting.

It may serve the game fitmrst few minutes, but deep in game, you would not care about those factions. There is no story, not much dialogue, no anything. most heroes have 0 connection to each other, 99% of lore was left with blizzard and their projects. Maybe if you look at the game strictly through prism of OCD, then maybe radiant-dire separation makes a lot of sense. Otherwise it is just useless layer, that wipes many combos from existence.

We are talking about the idea of OP instead of the original faction differences.

[JolyJew СлаваУкраине]

the heroes don't belong to any factions, there are some heroes who are good but on dire side in dota1, like pudge, winter wyvern and axe.

and there are evil heroes who are on radiant side in dota 1 like antimage or troll warlord