Radiance's worth

[Will Bang]

See this item come up as recommended in some heroes besides obvious like Naga Siren.
60 magical damage per second doesn't seem very good, though -- is farming the only reason to buy Radiance? If so, the price for that seems completely unreasonable. Or does it speed gold intake up by that noticeable amount?

[Merstin]

17%miss chance in a teamfight is pretty valueable.

[Bufu smurr]

it also adds 17% miss chance.
But if you think it doesnt seem very good, then buy something else.

[Schulti mit Sahne]

Originally posted by Will Bang:

See this item come up as recommended in some heroes besides obvious like Naga Siren.
60 magical damage per second doesn't seem very good, though -- is farming the only reason to buy Radiance? If so, the price for that seems completely unreasonable. Or does it speed gold intake up by that noticeable amount?

I always wondered that myself, 60 magical damage, from which you have to calculate the 25% base magic resistance away, turns 60 damage into 45 damage (not to mention the STR magic resistance that you have to include in your calculations, depednign on the hero can be up to additional 10%, if theres a pipe aura in the enemy team additional 10% which you could argue rendering the radiance damage down to about 30 Magical damage per second). the price is extremely high for an evasion of 17% and i could only imagine it to be somewhat worthwhile if the entire team consists out of rightclickers, which then comes to my question if you could even get a tanky lineup together that would be capable of utilizing a radiance long enough if 3 of those rightclickers focus you. I just think Radiance is a highly situational item, and people in low mmr build it way too often. For the same amount of gold they could get an item that gives some utility capabilities and have probably more impact on a game. Radiance might have more impact in Higher mmr though.

So yea I think i barely ever build radiance... its just not good in my opinion. If you want to deal damage, get a crystalis, if you want to get evasion get halberd or Butterfly. I think a crimson guard would help your teammates more than a 17% evasion rate. And im too lazy to do the maths right now tbh

[Dung Defender]

Radiance only worth it on high endurance heroes against high physical and auto-click heroes. It's a worse farm item than even mjolnir. A few heroes I play recently always has radiance in recommended build for no reason. For offlane no less.

[salamander]

You forgot to mention the "17%" miss chance. Note that I put the " symbols because the 17% is bs, I remember playing Ursa, I attacked an enemy hero with radiance, missed 3 overpower (out of 7) attacks IN A ROW

[Schulti mit Sahne]

Originally posted by salamander:

You forgot to mention the "17%" miss chance. Note that I put the " symbols because the 17% is bs, I remember playing Ursa, I attacked an enemy hero with radiance, missed 3 overpower (out of 7) attacks IN A ROW

17% is still a luck thing, I once played faceless void hit an enemy 7 Times and didnt bash him once. Same with other attacks, it comes down to luck, not maths. You can't predict that. Its just a probability of how likely ursa gonna miss or not. so 3 out of 7 is lucky, but not too far off, considering 17% would mean that aproximately 1-2 Hits would most likely miss, 3 is just a little bit more lucky/unlucky depending if you play ursa or are playing vs ursa

[scorereaper]

60 magical dmg/sec is quite good and it has like 60 physical dmg i think. Then their is 17% miss chance for all your team around you. It cost around 5.5k. efficient for farming.
What more do you want from that

[ConfusedSOB]

recomended item is outdated for few year now
learning how hero work and how item work is always better than copying someone item build

recomended item just for newb

[空虚]

radiance damage is a LOT. U might think its pretty underwhelming but believe me it deals quite a lot of damage.

[Deepbluediver]

Two other big benefits are the miss-chance it provides against attacks from melee-range heros, which can dramatically increase the effective-health of your team, and the fact that it allows you to chase down fleeing enemies and kill them without needing to stop and attack them.

[Schulti mit Sahne]

Originally posted by scorereaper:

60 magical dmg/sec is quite good and it has like 60 physical dmg i think. Then their is 17% miss chance for all your team around you. It cost around 5.5k. efficient for farming.
What more do you want from that

Originally posted by ThrOne:

radiance damage is a LOT. U might think its pretty underwhelming but believe me it deals quite a lot of damage.

I already posted it, its not that useful. Given that every hero has around 25% base magic resistance+the Magic resistance they gain from their STR + eventual Pipe or Pipe's aura, means that Radiances Damage per second is reduced and is in reality just around 30-45 dmg/s . Now +60 Damage can be easily obtained from a Deadalus if you need it(even more than 60, and you get 200% crits with a 30% chance). Reasoning it as farming item is retarded, because the time you need to farm this item is way too long. ANd you'll end up with an item that provides you with no utility capability, as a BKB, basher, diffusal, whatelse would. Thus even once you got radiance and enter teamfights you are not strong at all besides your damage. which you'll be simply ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over by kiting and disables(due to having no bkb). I rarely encounter a game where a radiance is usefull, and most games i am in and see someone making it results in the team loosing.

TL;DR Farming a radiance turns the game into a 4v5.

[rick3886]

If Naga can get a quick Radiance under 15 minutes it's always worth it.
The problem is that most Radiance timings are around 17minutes.

If my Naga has a radiance my average GPM goes from 650-750 straight to 850-1000.
If my Naga has a radiance my total damage dealt in a match is just 20-50k damage more.

Radiance Naga was meta for a long time. Nagas illusion deal burn damage too!
If you have a quick radiance you can be 5 slotted or even 6 slotted 12-15 minutes after you got the Radiance because every illusion can farm camps alone and one illusion farms the lane.

Radiance Naga is only not worth it because the game is so centered around mid-game skirmishes not because the item is bad on her. When you are 5 slotted you can drop/sell the Radiance for a different item.

E// It disables most healing items like Heart of Tarrasque and regen.
It disables Blink Daggers.
Fighting in a Radiance aura feels so unthankful. Naga can expand the Radiance aura onto everyone by using illusions.

The item on Naga is basically only bad if it was slower than 19-20 minutes.
I used to have 12-15 minute Radiance timings, which was amazing.

[Woody]

Originally posted by Will Bang:

See this item come up as recommended in some heroes besides obvious like Naga Siren.

Funnily enough it's not meta on Naga anymore since the riptide rework. It's better to just get stat items on her.

[rick3886]

Originally posted by Woody:

Originally posted by Will Bang:

See this item come up as recommended in some heroes besides obvious like Naga Siren.

Funnily enough it's not meta on Naga anymore since the riptide rework. It's better to just get stat items on her.

This. And less gold on the map.

[rick3886]

1) It's not about the Attack damage, it's about clearing camps with solo illusions and cutting waves in a real fast manner.

2) It's not about stacking the Radiance, it's about the AoE damage/disable that is huge when you split your illusions up

3) When you have the Radiance you will never run into gold issues the entire game anymore. I get that 2-3 Wraithbands and a Diffusal sound very good when comparing price performance ratio. Then again once you have the Radiance the other 2-3 core items will follow in 10-15 minutes. So either you have;
>28minutes
>Radiance, Diffusal, Manta / Half a Skadi or a Reaver

or

>25minutes
>Diffusal, Manta, Heart completed, half a Skadi

Choose your poison.

E//
4) Archon and below never do anything about my Radiance Naga ever.
It only started to get a problem in Legend really and sometimes not even there.

E// My conclusion would more likely be:
Bad Nagas are bad with Radiance. kekW

E// Why do you think DotA thought im a booster Naga? hahahahaha