The coach mode is crap and isnt fair.

[Raukhan]

Many times the game starts with coachs and seems like we cant choose if we want to be in a game with coachs or not and thats ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Most of the time they simply disconnect at the hero pick screen, but like today i played a game against a very organizated team in ranked. What happened? The enemy team had a coach and ours just disconected at the start, and that is pretty unfair cause i know that if the coach does his best to do his job is a big plus for them. They are paying attention to the map, to the players, destroyed wards, runes... anyway as i say, is a big plus. And if im not wrong those coachs doesnt get a penalty for disconnect.
So please, if anyone knows about how to avoid coachs on game please tell me how to do it cause i cant find any option about that and is pissing me off...

[Fistraiser]

If your team needs a coach to do those things than they are just bad anyway.

[Duchess Minty]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

If your team needs a coach to do those things than they are just bad anyway.

Honestly doesn't change the fact that the other team has an extra person that can keep track of everything that's happening around the players and that DOES make a difference when both teams are around the same skill level.

[Woody]

It does have a few problems, hopefully if they bring it back next year they fix some things like coaches getting the match counted towards the achievement despite leaving early and maybe an option in the menu to opt out of coached matches.

[SiEgE]

Being a "second pair of eyes" is not much of an advantage for a game against a coach. All coach does is getting bad players up to his level.
Team organization, counterwarding, attention to the map, and rune destruction(seriously? how in the hell the coach is supposed to affect that?) can be easily done by all 5 players. I mean, first 2 are done by supports alone, and attention to the map is the thing every single player is supposed to do, and relying on a coach to do that is plain stupid.
Coach can't really help a good team, and if he tries, he would be likely stepping on their toes all the way through. Being just a "second pair of eyes" is a time waster, and it's not like he is going to have any fun off that.

[SiEgE]

Originally posted by Lady Mint:

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

If your team needs a coach to do those things than they are just bad anyway.

Honestly doesn't change the fact that the other team has an extra person that can keep track of everything that's happening around the players and that DOES make a difference when both teams are around the same skill level.

It's not like there are that much stuff happening to keep track of.

[Journey]

Originally posted by SiEgE:

Being a "second pair of eyes" is not much of an advantage for a game against a coach. All coach does is getting bad players up to his level.
Team organization, counterwarding, attention to the map, and rune destruction(seriously? how in the hell the coach is supposed to affect that?) can be easily done by all 5 players. I mean, first 2 are done by supports alone, and attention to the map is the thing every single player is supposed to do, and relying on a coach to do that is plain stupid.
Coach can't really help a good team, and if he tries, he would be likely stepping on their toes all the way through. Being just a "second pair of eyes" is a time waster, and it's not like he is going to have any fun off that.

This is very wrong, having a coach gives a very clear in game leader. Instead of everyone aimlessly playing their games, they are given a higher mmr player to help guide them. He tells them optimal warding and dewarding, the other teams map movements and so on. Having an extra set of eyes thats not distracted by their own character is a huge advantage, they can literally see anything their team can without having a distraction or something better to do. Also a coach really can help a good team, look at literally every T1 professional team, that same idea translates to pubs as well. Then for you saying theres not that much stuff to keep track of, I really cant tell if you think Dota is that simple of a game, there are so many variables that change in an instant that its impossible to keep track of everything

[Raukhan]

Originally posted by SiEgE:

Being a "second pair of eyes" is not much of an advantage for a game against a coach. All coach does is getting bad players up to his level.
Team organization, counterwarding, attention to the map, and rune destruction(seriously? how in the hell the coach is supposed to affect that?) can be easily done by all 5 players. I mean, first 2 are done by supports alone, and attention to the map is the thing every single player is supposed to do, and relying on a coach to do that is plain stupid.
Coach can't really help a good team, and if he tries, he would be likely stepping on their toes all the way through. Being just a "second pair of eyes" is a time waster, and it's not like he is going to have any fun off that.

Youre wrong. First at all you need to know that my MMR is low, the people sometimes just dont take a sheet about what are you doing, they just want to farm and be the monster of the game at late, or take advantage when is space created to keep farming on jungle and not to push the lines to avoid they farm. I know this because i know my community and yes, they sucks. As i say they do not pay attention to the other players game. So what i do is pick midlane or hc to carry the game myself but the most important is to be nice with the others, use the micro to speak and be friendly, they hear you and the team becomes one, thats the secret and thats what the coach aslo can do... if they know about the game and is a nice dude they probably pay attention to him. I hope you understand what im trying to say but what you need to know is that, my MMR is low and the people tend to be desorganizated and toxic each other.

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by Raukhan:

Originally posted by SiEgE:

Being a "second pair of eyes" is not much of an advantage for a game against a coach. All coach does is getting bad players up to his level.
Team organization, counterwarding, attention to the map, and rune destruction(seriously? how in the hell the coach is supposed to affect that?) can be easily done by all 5 players. I mean, first 2 are done by supports alone, and attention to the map is the thing every single player is supposed to do, and relying on a coach to do that is plain stupid.
Coach can't really help a good team, and if he tries, he would be likely stepping on their toes all the way through. Being just a "second pair of eyes" is a time waster, and it's not like he is going to have any fun off that.

Youre wrong. First at all you need to know that my MMR is low, the people sometimes just dont take a sheet about what are you doing, they just want to farm and be the monster of the game at late, or take advantage when is space created to keep farming on jungle and not to push the lines to avoid they farm. I know this because i know my community and yes, they sucks. As i say they do not pay attention to the other players game. So what i do is pick midlane or hc to carry the game myself but the most important is to be nice with the others, use the micro to speak and be friendly, they hear you and the team becomes one, thats the secret and thats what the coach aslo can do... if they know about the game and is a nice dude they probably pay attention to him. I hope you understand what im trying to say but what you need to know is that, my MMR is low and the people tend to be desorganizated and toxic each other.

To be fair at low MMR most of them won't listen to the coach either and likely blame them for their deaths.if anything is probably counter productive at low MMR lvls to Have a coach as it will divide them more than unite them.

[Raukhan]

Originally posted by Journey:

Originally posted by SiEgE:

Being a "second pair of eyes" is not much of an advantage for a game against a coach. All coach does is getting bad players up to his level.
Team organization, counterwarding, attention to the map, and rune destruction(seriously? how in the hell the coach is supposed to affect that?) can be easily done by all 5 players. I mean, first 2 are done by supports alone, and attention to the map is the thing every single player is supposed to do, and relying on a coach to do that is plain stupid.
Coach can't really help a good team, and if he tries, he would be likely stepping on their toes all the way through. Being just a "second pair of eyes" is a time waster, and it's not like he is going to have any fun off that.

This is very wrong, having a coach gives a very clear in game leader. Instead of everyone aimlessly playing their games, they are given a higher mmr player to help guide them. He tells them optimal warding and dewarding, the other teams map movements and so on. Having an extra set of eyes thats not distracted by their own character is a huge advantage, they can literally see anything their team can without having a distraction or something better to do. Also a coach really can help a good team, look at literally every T1 professional team, that same idea translates to pubs as well. Then for you saying theres not that much stuff to keep track of, I really cant tell if you think Dota is that simple of a game, there are so many variables that change in an instant that its impossible to keep track of everything

Thats the word, a LEADER.

[Raukhan]

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

Originally posted by Raukhan:

Youre wrong. First at all you need to know that my MMR is low, the people sometimes just dont take a sheet about what are you doing, they just want to farm and be the monster of the game at late, or take advantage when is space created to keep farming on jungle and not to push the lines to avoid they farm. I know this because i know my community and yes, they sucks. As i say they do not pay attention to the other players game. So what i do is pick midlane or hc to carry the game myself but the most important is to be nice with the others, use the micro to speak and be friendly, they hear you and the team becomes one, thats the secret and thats what the coach aslo can do... if they know about the game and is a nice dude they probably pay attention to him. I hope you understand what im trying to say but what you need to know is that, my MMR is low and the people tend to be desorganizated and toxic each other.

To be fair at low MMR most of them won't listen to the coach either and likely blame them for their deaths.if anything is probably counter productive at low MMR lvls to Have a coach as it will divide them more than unite them.

Not always the problem is about people who do not want to lisen, sometimes is just the lack of communication. As i say, if the coach does his job right the game will change the course.

[Just end trashbag.]

Originally posted by Raukhan:

Originally posted by Fistraiser:

To be fair at low MMR most of them won't listen to the coach either and likely blame them for their deaths.if anything is probably counter productive at low MMR lvls to Have a coach as it will divide them more than unite them.

Not always the problem is about people who do not want to lisen, sometimes is just the lack of communication. As i say, if the coach does his job right the game will change the course.

Pffftt....you think so? Before you could talking you get muted first.

[Raukhan]

Originally posted by Dr. Stylish:

Originally posted by Raukhan:

Not always the problem is about people who do not want to lisen, sometimes is just the lack of communication. As i say, if the coach does his job right the game will change the course.

Pffftt....you think so? Before you could talking you get muted first.

As i say, if someone just talk to support and motivates you the people do not feel the need to mute you. If you lisen someone being friendly youre going to mute him just because you no wanna hear no one? Thats another problem, the normal is people criticizing and being toxic and thats why people tend to mute.

[Absche]

I think it's only worth for premade teams who lack a dedicated captain and are willing to improve their gaming.
Solo queue, low mmr - player pool who don't want to be coached or are overburdened to listen to advices
Solo queue, high mmr - players don't need a coach anymore
Party queue, low mmr - coachind makes sense, but mainly for 5 stacks (see at top)
Party queue, high mmr - have probably a dedicated captain already

[◢◤TRi$H STRATU$◢◤___¸]

u lost me at
"organizated"
hahaha quit dota join school focus studies

[Just end trashbag.]

Originally posted by Raukhan:

Originally posted by Dr. Stylish:

Pffftt....you think so? Before you could talking you get muted first.

As i say, if someone just talk to support and motivates you the people do not feel the need to mute you. If you lisen someone being friendly youre going to mute him just because you no wanna hear no one? Thats another problem, the normal is people criticizing and being toxic and thats why people tend to mute.

thats what i do. Everything i can help. Even i have to ask who need help and i got no and stfu, let us enjoy our game things. So end game lost vote down. Even they say no i still try but my words are too godly that they ignored.