MACRO AND SCRIPT IN RANKED GAME ARE ALLOWED?

[mortacci]

i really worder to know if valve take any action against playerthat use macro and script in ranked game, look's like vac system is not able to catch it, so nothing happen.
usually use sothing that can give you advantage in a game is considered like a cheat, here nothing happen.
i can understand in private games, but in ranked, or even in normal or event game still an irregular advantage, so how to get rid of that people if valve do nothing effective for catch them?

[Zagryzaec]

It will most likely be set for full combos. Like eul meteor sunstrike, or meteor, blast, sunstroke.

[Fluffy]

Originally posted by Lady Mint:

Originally posted by Mortacci:

external hardware is tecnically the same as use a cheat that bypass some rules.

Setting up a macro to invoke a spell or two at your normal input pace is such a huge advantage.

It doesnt matter if it is or not. What matters is that it IS forbidden.

Edit: Its apparently forbidden, but we all know in fact they dont really give a crap about it.

[mortacci]

Originally posted by Fluffy Bunny:

Originally posted by Lady Mint:

Setting up a macro to invoke a spell or two at your normal input pace is such a huge advantage.

It doesnt matter if it is or not. What matters is that it IS forbidden.

Edit: Its apparently forbidden, but we all know in fact they dont really give a crap about it.

and is really wrong, because affext the game dinamics at any lv, but since tat least he 70% that do ranked are middle low rank, because rank sistem is set like a ♥♥♥♥ to, they are something like...50/60% of dota real money entrance for valve, probably more, since pro player get most of the stuff for free, so usually thay have to care about it, if all that player stop to buy item or compendium for 1 years i'm sure they will find a way to fix it really really fast, and maybe they will start to do funny event to

[Absche]

I don‘t think that a mouse/keyboard macro in which you need just one click instead of let‘s say 5 clicks is considered neither a third party program nor an unfair advantage by Steam/Valve. It‘s more a question of honor to not use such macros in public matchmaking.
Unfair regarding hardware/software equipment is a matter of definition. Everything which intrudes the gaming interface is hacking and that is not covered by the terms and conditions of Steam /Valve. That‘s a different thing!

[Purple Sauce]

prove they are using it and report it. You can usually see these things in replays and you don't even need to detect them.

[zenparadox]

Dota is macro and script city. Always makes me laugh when people insist that they instantly hit you with multiple spells as invoker the moment you come into vision with just their 'mad skillz'.
Valve do not give the slightest of f.ucks.

Watching people throw money at them for BP levels I'm not surprised; if your audience is that dumb they'll throw money at you hoping for a slightly rarer than normal skin when you ignore rampant cheating that affects them why bother to fix it? Just count the
money...

[zenparadox]

Originally posted by Card Gamer:

I don‘t think that a mouse/keyboard macro in which you need just one click instead of let‘s say 5 clicks is considered neither a third party program nor an unfair advantage by Steam/Valve. It‘s more a question of honor to not use such macros in public matchmaking.
Unfair regarding hardware/software equipment is a matter of definition. Everything which intrudes the gaming interface is hacking and that is not covered by the terms and conditions of Steam /Valve. That‘s a different thing!

Macro's are cheating straight up. It's not part of the game interface as you describe it.
Imagine if someone at TI19 used them, there'd be a riot..
Don't make excuses for cheating s.hitstains.

[Takeshi Gitano]

Originally posted by zenparadox:

Dota is macro and script city. Always makes me laugh when people insist that they instantly hit you with multiple spells as invoker the moment you come into vision with just their 'mad skillz'.
Valve do not give the slightest of f.ucks.

Watching people throw money at them for BP levels I'm not surprised; if your audience is that dumb they'll throw money at you hoping for a slightly rarer than normal skin when you ignore rampant cheating that affects them why bother to fix it? Just count the
money...

Dude! xD

Do you know the feeling when someone calls you scripter with invoker because you cast spells to fast ? ahhhhhh ..... I love it.
Im at 3-4k and I'm training invoker , im a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ player , normally I throw matches in late but I keep training for the purpose of cast the skills and know how to play (or trying to learn)
And when you do full sumiya combo on one guy and start saying : "Eyh you macro/scripter user"
Someone inside me says : Damn loser , you are bad at invoker , but fast! hoHoHohoho

Not all people uses even if you think yes.
And I remember the last TI open qualifier a team player got banned for use meepo with macros (not even scripts)

[zenparadox]

Originally posted by Takeshi Gitano :

Originally posted by zenparadox:

Dota is macro and script city. Always makes me laugh when people insist that they instantly hit you with multiple spells as invoker the moment you come into vision with just their 'mad skillz'.
Valve do not give the slightest of f.ucks.

Watching people throw money at them for BP levels I'm not surprised; if your audience is that dumb they'll throw money at you hoping for a slightly rarer than normal skin when you ignore rampant cheating that affects them why bother to fix it? Just count the
money...

Dude! xD

Do you know the feeling when someone calls you scripter with invoker because you cast spells to fast ? ahhhhhh ..... I love it.
Im at 3-4k and I'm training invoker , im a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ player , normally I throw matches in late but I keep training for the purpose of cast the skills and know how to play (or trying to learn)
And when you do full sumiya combo on one guy and start saying : "Eyh you macro/scripter user"
Someone inside me says : Damn loser , you are bad at invoker , but fast! hoHoHohoho

Not all people uses even if you think yes.
And I remember the last TI open qualifier a team player got banned for use meepo with macros (not even scripts)

Dude! (seriously get a new exclamation...)
There's a difference between being good as invoker and casting multiple spells so fast if you were actually capable of it you'd be at TI. I play against people all the time who are macro/script/both users. Invoker is a favourite for macro and script users, deal with it. If you're not, good for you, doesn't mean the rest of the script and macro kiddies who play him aren't s.hitstains.

You're ego isn't proof that others don't use scripts/macros mmmmkay?

[Takeshi Gitano]

Originally posted by zenparadox:

Dude! (seriously get a new exclamation...)
There's a difference between being good as invoker and casting multiple spells so fast if you were actually capable of it you'd be at TI. I play against people all the time who are macro/script/both users. Invoker is a favourite for macro and script users, deal with it. If you're not, good for you, doesn't mean the rest of the script and macro kiddies who play him aren't s.hitstains.

You're ego isn't proof that others don't use scripts/macros mmmmkay?

I think the good nuker for script users was Skywrath not kael. But mmmkay

Nice story people always create to be in TI xD I was talking about my experience playing. And I don't find so much people using it.

If you play against so much script / macro / both user players post there the last 10 of ur matches where are those and maybe we can watch what are you talking about. That was I was talking about. Your words don't make a whole playerbase a macro/script user , mmmmkaaaayyyyy ?

[Pentagrram]

Artezzy most pros use mouse side click button. Is that considered macro? There are lots of video evidence on Utube.

[Absche]

Originally posted by zenparadox:

Originally posted by Card Gamer:

I don‘t think that a mouse/keyboard macro in which you need just one click instead of let‘s say 5 clicks is considered neither a third party program nor an unfair advantage by Steam/Valve. It‘s more a question of honor to not use such macros in public matchmaking.
Unfair regarding hardware/software equipment is a matter of definition. Everything which intrudes the gaming interface is hacking and that is not covered by the terms and conditions of Steam /Valve. That‘s a different thing!

Macro's are cheating straight up. It's not part of the game interface as you describe it.
Imagine if someone at TI19 used them, there'd be a riot..
Don't make excuses for cheating s.hitstains.

To get it right, I‘m old and slow but to proud to use any scripts or macros. But what is legit is just another question. Valve is not very precise on that for usual public matchmaking. Pro tournament organizers are! They forbid macros/scripts explicitly. It‘s always a question of definition what is an unfair advantage or not. But Valve never forced all to have the same hardware or software on client side. They only forbid third party programs which interfere with the gaming interface. Macro capable mouses or keyboards aren‘t, just like e.g. video card drivers or operation systems. I‘m waiting for Valve to be more specific on this but for now I don‘t see that mouse or keyboard macros/scripts are against the game rules.

[No_Pulse]

An i quote straight from there own policy

"Further, you acknowledge and agree that an online multiplayer host may report your use of Cheats to Valve, and Valve may communicate your history of use of Cheats to other online multiplayer hosts. Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any conduct or activity that is illegal, constitutes a Cheat, or otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other Subscribers. You acknowledge that Valve is not required to provide you notice before terminating your Subscription(s) and/or Account.

You may not use Cheats, automation software (bots), mods, hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software, to modify or automate any Subscription Marketplace process."

Simply put using macros can get you banned due to interfering with other players enjoyment of the game an only way to use Macros legally is if Valve signed an agreement with a keyboard or mouse maker authorizing them otherwise they can be considered unauthorized an by all accounts they can ban you for automating the process of certain combos aka macro if they so choose. Its a matter of if they want to bother with it or not.

[mortacci]

Originally posted by Takeshi Gitano :

Originally posted by zenparadox:

Dota is macro and script city. Always makes me laugh when people insist that they instantly hit you with multiple spells as invoker the moment you come into vision with just their 'mad skillz'.
Valve do not give the slightest of f.ucks.

Watching people throw money at them for BP levels I'm not surprised; if your audience is that dumb they'll throw money at you hoping for a slightly rarer than normal skin when you ignore rampant cheating that affects them why bother to fix it? Just count the
money...

Dude! xD

Do you know the feeling when someone calls you scripter with invoker because you cast spells to fast ? ahhhhhh ..... I love it.
Im at 3-4k and I'm training invoker , im a ♥♥♥♥♥♥ player , normally I throw matches in late but I keep training for the purpose of cast the skills and know how to play (or trying to learn)
And when you do full sumiya combo on one guy and start saying : "Eyh you macro/scripter user"
Someone inside me says : Damn loser , you are bad at invoker , but fast! hoHoHohoho

Not all people uses even if you think yes.
And I remember the last TI open qualifier a team player got banned for use meepo with macros (not even scripts)

there is a big difference in cast fast and can cast 2 or 3 spell in less than 1 second and in the same time blink to opposite direction of the cast, by the way not considering the speed of yor finger, there are another limit, the keyboard, it can get instruction really really fast, but will not get all the information need to cast if you start to push multiple button in the same time, and since in dota you have to click with keyboard and mouse to, lot of skill need double click to, it become tecnically imèpossible to cast 3 skill in the same time,even on same target, and more if you cast and blink in the same moment to 2 different position.

[mortacci]

Originally posted by No_Pulse:

An i quote straight from there own policy

"Further, you acknowledge and agree that an online multiplayer host may report your use of Cheats to Valve, and Valve may communicate your history of use of Cheats to other online multiplayer hosts. Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any conduct or activity that is illegal, constitutes a Cheat, or otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other Subscribers. You acknowledge that Valve is not required to provide you notice before terminating your Subscription(s) and/or Account.

You may not use Cheats, automation software (bots), mods, hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software, to modify or automate any Subscription Marketplace process."

Simply put using macros can get you banned due to interfering with other players enjoyment of the game an only way to use Macros legally is if Valve signed an agreement with a keyboard or mouse maker authorizing them otherwise they can be considered unauthorized an by all accounts they can ban you for automating the process of certain combos aka macro if they so choose. Its a matter of if they want to bother with it or not.

correct, that's the point, by the way if you have a look on player profile in the time you are playing, if is not a fake or new profile, many time you can see they already get a vac ban for cheating in somehting else, 1 time i played against a complete russian team and all of them already received vac ban for something else, 2 of them more than 1 time, so is really legit to think thay are doing the same on dota, and to report them the 90% of the time result in nothing, or because valve don't care cause the quantity of money they get even from this player or they can't check them cause of the volume of player use some cheat.
and player thatsay that cheating in dota is impossible are just lol, i remember good in the time of beta in 2012 when dota start, after something like 6 or 8 month they banned something like 1/4 of the profile for cheating, they banned some more another time, but from them any ufficial comunication been trasmitted about more ban, so i assume they simply stopped to care about it cause of they money they get from tournament ecc, so they care just about pro zone, the rest is not theyr problem any more i think.