Rubic steal ally spells?

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Why can morph do that, but the hero that is KNOWN for stealing spells cant? I mean, of course casting some ultimates 2 or 3 times is a bit op, but either remove that or make it a lvl 25 talent or aghanim upgrade. So that a rubik can steal at least somethign from his allies. Not many ppl remember or even know this, but he was at one point able to do that. And not to mention that rubic is sirusly weak of a hero himself, since it is really hard to steal the thing u want and even if u do, u cant combine anythign with it to make a combo(like meteor+tornado and other combos that heroes have).

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whatever man you still sucks i bet you have no friends

[DogeSenpai]

I will make it

[koalabrownie]

Publicado originalmente por 666th:

What i mean is that even if the rubic is skilled, his character simply puts him at a disadvantage to other players just as skilled. A rubic is one of the most gankable and soft heroes out there. For comparison, shaman is also a support but has about 80 base dmg or so. The only support with worse stats then that is cm, but her advantage is that she doesnt struggle with mana as much so she can get hp regen items, escape items, an occasional mkb, etc. However, rubic needs more then just arcane boots to always have the mana needed for his spellcasting. And if, as u said, the rubic is so skilled that an enigma cant capture him in a black hole, and assuming rubic manages to steal it and use it precicely where needed, he might not always have somethign to back the black hole up except his teammates. A good enigma always puts midnight pulse before ult, but that isnt an option for rubic cuz he can only have 1 spell at a time. And rubic rarely builds any items which may or may not help him with the stolen spells, so even if he has a blink dagger he might not always have an mkb, thus puting him at a disadvantage to other heroes.

I haven't played Rubick, but from what I understand watching other dotes is that Rubik's value is in part dependent upon the enemy team. If the enemy team has good spells to steal, Rubik can be great, if their spells are not great steals then he has less value. The fact the cast time for a lot of spells is instant certainly helps. His built in magic resistance/reduction can also be good with or against different lineups.

I think stealing from allied heroes would simply make it too easy to set up combos that are too powerful. If Rubick needs a buff then it's better to buff his stats or other spells.

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Publicado originalmente por koalabrownie:

Publicado originalmente por 666th:

What i mean is that even if the rubic is skilled, his character simply puts him at a disadvantage to other players just as skilled. A rubic is one of the most gankable and soft heroes out there. For comparison, shaman is also a support but has about 80 base dmg or so. The only support with worse stats then that is cm, but her advantage is that she doesnt struggle with mana as much so she can get hp regen items, escape items, an occasional mkb, etc. However, rubic needs more then just arcane boots to always have the mana needed for his spellcasting. And if, as u said, the rubic is so skilled that an enigma cant capture him in a black hole, and assuming rubic manages to steal it and use it precicely where needed, he might not always have somethign to back the black hole up except his teammates. A good enigma always puts midnight pulse before ult, but that isnt an option for rubic cuz he can only have 1 spell at a time. And rubic rarely builds any items which may or may not help him with the stolen spells, so even if he has a blink dagger he might not always have an mkb, thus puting him at a disadvantage to other heroes.

I haven't played Rubick, but from what I understand watching other dotes is that Rubik's value is in part dependent upon the enemy team. If the enemy team has good spells to steal, Rubik can be great, if their spells are not great steals then he has less value. The fact the cast time for a lot of spells is instant certainly helps. His built in magic resistance/reduction can also be good with or against different lineups.

I think stealing from allied heroes would simply make it too easy to set up combos that are too powerful. If Rubick needs a buff then it's better to buff his stats or other spells.

I understand, but there doesnt seem to be that many problems with morphling's aility to copy teammates. I dont understand why rubics spellsteal should give ground to morphling, since rubic is knows for his spell steal. without his ult hes not really a rubik but i dont understand why that ult is so much weaker compared to morphling.

[Captain Cuddles]

It would simply be too OP to make rubick able to copy spells of an ally hero. The reason morphlings ult is alright to target allys is because he is MORPHING into the hero, so he loses his own spells, stats, and it only last for 20 seconds. With rubick, he would be able choose whatever spell he wants from his team without the trouble of trying to steal it due to the fact his team can just cast the spell he wants, gets to keep the stolen spell with his OWN spells, and he gets to keep them for much longer than 20 seconds.

[Captain Cuddles]

Also, keep in mind rubick is a support, while morphling is a carry. To have a support who can just run around with any set of skills/combo is broken.

[koalabrownie]

Publicado originalmente por 666th:

Publicado originalmente por koalabrownie:

I think stealing from allied heroes would simply make it too easy to set up combos that are too powerful. If Rubick needs a buff then it's better to buff his stats or other spells.

I understand, but there doesnt seem to be that many problems with morphling's aility to copy teammates. I dont understand why rubics spellsteal should give ground to morphling, since rubic is knows for his spell steal. without his ult hes not really a rubik but i dont understand why that ult is so much weaker compared to morphling.

Morph can't copy teammates. It can only target enemy heroes. His previous ultimate, Replicate, could target friendlies but that was removed when the ability was changed to its current form.

Morph also only gets basic abilities whereas Rubick can steal ultimates.

https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Morphling#Morph

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Publicado originalmente por Captain Cuddles:

It would simply be too OP to make rubick able to copy spells of an ally hero. The reason morphlings ult is alright to target allys is because he is MORPHING into the hero, so he loses his own spells, stats, and it only last for 20 seconds. With rubick, he would be able choose whatever spell he wants from his team without the trouble of trying to steal it due to the fact his team can just cast the spell he wants, gets to keep the stolen spell with his OWN spells, and he gets to keep them for much longer than 20 seconds.

Publicado originalmente por Captain Cuddles:

Also, keep in mind rubick is a support, while morphling is a carry. To have a support who can just run around with any set of skills/combo is broken.

Well 1st off, morphling into a hero can be more op then just stealing one ability form a hero. Morphling might end up havign better stats or dps then previously. 2nd off, if the morphlign levels specific talents and gets his ult to lvl 3 he can literally become another hero and always stay morphed, as long as he is near that hero. next, wtf u even saying? So morphlign has to work hard to steal a specific spell, but apparently all rubic has to do is make an ally USE that abilitty near rubic and wait till he steals it? Yeah, i know that such complex fiunctions are WAY out of ur reach, especially the morphlign one, where u have to not only click a button but also click a hero, but for some1 older then 8 and who isnt autistic that probably isnt much of a problem as it is for u. And next off, so what, morphling is a carry and rubic is a support? How is having a carry with a whole set of stolen spells from any hero and be able to make cmbos with it less op then having support steal 1 spell with limited combos? Or are u suggesting that carries are supposed to be op and support are supposed to be weak? Dont u think that this is the kind of disbalance that should be fixed, and that rubik would actually be a legit way to reduce the disbalance?

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Publicado originalmente por koalabrownie:

Publicado originalmente por 666th:

I understand, but there doesnt seem to be that many problems with morphling's aility to copy teammates. I dont understand why rubics spellsteal should give ground to morphling, since rubic is knows for his spell steal. without his ult hes not really a rubik but i dont understand why that ult is so much weaker compared to morphling.

Morph can't copy teammates. It can only target enemy heroes. His previous ultimate, Replicate, could target friendlies but that was removed when the ability was changed to its current form.

Morph also only gets basic abilities whereas Rubick can steal ultimates.

https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Morphling#Morph

Morph has a lvl 20 talent allowing him to transform into allies. and a lvl 15 talent that extends duration of ult. So with lvl 3 ult, morph can stay morphed at all times if there is some1 nearby.

And true, but it is rare for a rubic to steal a good ultimate. And once again to nerf this idea somehow valve can make rubic only steal normal spells from allies, not ultimates.

[Kazya Glaedwine]

=w= Main Rubik here~ *i steal pudge hook everytime*

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Publicado originalmente por Exodus -M-:

=w= Main Rubik here~ *i steal pudge hook everytime*

As a pudge lover, i rarely give away a hook. Some newbies might, but all a pudge has to do is activate or disactivate rot right after hook. In higher ranks or with more expirienced players, that becomes a habit and thus stealign a hook is really hard.

[子不是字]

ok you want to know why it would be op? Becuase your team mates are not going to counter you by doing stuff like medusa spaming her mana shield after casting ulti and the like. Having rubick be able to steal is teammate's abilities is like having a refreshers at level 6. While you can aruge that at low skill it does not matter, and no one counters rubick, dota 2 is not balanced at low skill. The room for abuse is just too much.

[zMertzi]

Publicado originalmente por carryfirstpicker:

whatever man you still sucks i bet you have no friends

Harsh..

[zMertzi]

Publicado originalmente por 666th:

Publicado originalmente por koalabrownie:

I haven't played Rubick, but from what I understand watching other dotes is that Rubik's value is in part dependent upon the enemy team. If the enemy team has good spells to steal, Rubik can be great, if their spells are not great steals then he has less value. The fact the cast time for a lot of spells is instant certainly helps. His built in magic resistance/reduction can also be good with or against different lineups.

I think stealing from allied heroes would simply make it too easy to set up combos that are too powerful. If Rubick needs a buff then it's better to buff his stats or other spells.

I understand, but there doesnt seem to be that many problems with morphling's aility to copy teammates. I dont understand why rubics spellsteal should give ground to morphling, since rubic is knows for his spell steal. without his ult hes not really a rubik but i dont understand why that ult is so much weaker compared to morphling.

Ok, first of all, Morphling got nerfed so hard because of that, he can not use Morph while disabled, he can only use it IF and ONLY IF he uses it before the disable.

[zMertzi]

Publicado originalmente por koalabrownie:

Publicado originalmente por 666th:

I understand, but there doesnt seem to be that many problems with morphling's aility to copy teammates. I dont understand why rubics spellsteal should give ground to morphling, since rubic is knows for his spell steal. without his ult hes not really a rubik but i dont understand why that ult is so much weaker compared to morphling.

Morph can't copy teammates. It can only target enemy heroes. His previous ultimate, Replicate, could target friendlies but that was removed when the ability was changed to its current form.

Morph also only gets basic abilities whereas Rubick can steal ultimates.

https://dota2.gamepedia.com/Morphling#Morph

Talent tree?