Is Spectre a hard carry?

[ReHa]

Why do people consider Spectre a hard carry?
I wouldnt count her as a hard carry like Void,Medusa or Troll.
Dispersion is the only late game ability she has.She has no damage steroids(except desolate which is useless unless its 1 on 1) and her ulty is good for ganking but doesnt have impact in fighting.

[Григорий Андреев]

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[Duchess Minty]

She's a hard carry cause she's literally useless without farm.

[Multi]

Her illusions are pretty nasty.

At the beginning of the game she's a hero with no power. At the end of the game she dishes out tons of damage, is highly mobile, and is hard to kill.

She's just a tiny bit weak this patch, really.

[CHI LONG QUA]

Dispersion is a great carry ability

Desolate might seem mediocre, but you forget her illusions also get it

Her ult is very good for fighting - generally illusions are a carry ability. There's nothing wrong with a hard carry being good at ganking.

So she has 3 hard carry abilities.

[Anbtiopa]

Ultimate Wall hack with Dagger,Ultimate illusion dmg with desolate,ultimate damage spread+durability with dispersion,Omni-presence with haunt,In teamfight,Refresher+Haunt can Win almost every fight.

[DI.JustApe]

Her ult allows her to kill supports without being there. Her ult can turn any fight, just like a well place chrono can do. Spectre is a better all-round carry than Troll for example.
And take Anti Mage: He is one of the best carries, and he has no "steroids" either. Mana break is best in early-to-mid game. But he is considered a hard carry because of his ability to get farm much faster than most others.
Spectres farming abilities are similar to terrorblade, her global presence is similar to NaturesProphet, allowing you to turn a 3v3 into a 4v3 or sth like that.

[ReHa]

Originally posted by JustApe:

Her ult allows her to kill supports without being there. Her ult can turn any fight, just like a well place chrono can do. Spectre is a better all-round carry than Troll for example.
And take Anti Mage: He is one of the best carries, and he has no "steroids" either. Mana break is best in early-to-mid game. But he is considered a hard carry because of his ability to get farm much faster than most others.
Spectres farming abilities are similar to terrorblade, her global presence is similar to NaturesProphet, allowing you to turn a 3v3 into a 4v3 or sth like that.

good point with Anti Mage ,some people say he is hard carry ,but in fact he is one of the weakest carries but he comes online fast

[Multi]

Originally posted by pRo NoOb:

Originally posted by JustApe:

Her ult allows her to kill supports without being there. Her ult can turn any fight, just like a well place chrono can do. Spectre is a better all-round carry than Troll for example.
And take Anti Mage: He is one of the best carries, and he has no "steroids" either. Mana break is best in early-to-mid game. But he is considered a hard carry because of his ability to get farm much faster than most others.
Spectres farming abilities are similar to terrorblade, her global presence is similar to NaturesProphet, allowing you to turn a 3v3 into a 4v3 or sth like that.

good point with Anti Mage ,some people say he is hard carry ,but in fact he is one of the weakest carries but he comes online fast

Spectre is the opposite. She's one of the strongest carries, but she takes forever to come online.

[MyriadSaws]

Originally posted by Finnegan O'Grady:

Originally posted by pRo NoOb:

good point with Anti Mage ,some people say he is hard carry ,but in fact he is one of the weakest carries but he comes online fast

Spectre is the opposite. She's one of the strongest carries, but she takes forever to come online.

id say she comes online faster than am, she only needs 2-3 items
Diffusal manta or
Urn vanguard radiance and shes already quite strong, whereas am who generally gets bf actually tends to get his core items slower in exchange for much much faster end items.

[Multi]

Originally posted by MyriadSloths:

Originally posted by Finnegan O'Grady:

Spectre is the opposite. She's one of the strongest carries, but she takes forever to come online.

id say she comes online faster than am, she only needs 2-3 items
Diffusal manta or
Urn vanguard radiance and shes already quite strong, whereas am who generally gets bf actually tends to get his core items slower in exchange for much much faster end items.

yeah you can rush some early game items and be able to fight, but you don't reach your peak until the late late game, while AM hits his at the 40 minute mark

[The Bored Chairman]

Specter is very hard carry, she can be tanky as hell, deal a ton of damage, but her nastiest ability is to buyback after dying in a push and immediately rejoining the fight. Combine it with Aegis and she's a nightmare to deal with late game, much more difficult to deal with than any other hard carry in the game.

The reason Specter (at least in my experience) underperforms most games is because players can't coordinate a Specter game. The player picking her can't farm adequetely, the team doesn't create space, the other team comes online much sooner and just keeps the pressure up.

You should never expect to win early with a Specter on your team. Be ready to sacrifice a lane if it means getting her more farm, since she can push out that lane and join the team if a fight breaks out. Even against megas, the game is not over with Specter on the team. The biggest problem with most Specter players is that they jungle instead of pushing lanes when farming, not only giving her less farm, but also leaving her vulnerable when the enemy is pushing. Just as your team is responsible for making space in the early game, you (specter) are responsible for easing the burden around the mid to late game.

But she does require a more coordinated team than other hard carries, which is why I advise against picking her in pubs.

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only people who call spectre hard carry are the noobs who played alot of dota1 but dont know much about dota2. in dota2 spectre has low stats per level and low stats starting and extremely small abilities and passives, thus with all this combined. spectre is far from the hardest of carries in dota2. maybe havebeen good hard carry in dota1, but not dota2. majority of other carries have more than spectre. spectre only does good once he gets radiances that is because radiance is decent in the mid game on any hero. not just spectre. many carries can beat him late game even luna with aghas refreshesr will have no problems eliminating him along with the rest of his team. her ult only would do 5 times his hp with aghs refresher, which is enough to take out him and the rest of his team mates. she also has 2500 cast range on her ult can be cast on the ground, and most abiliteis are no where near that cast range. and it's a huge radius aoe, and each cast of her ult works independently of each other meaning double cast means twice as much dps per second. this just luna. majority of other carries in dota2 just have much more than spectre. he stands no chance against ursa in the late assuming ursa built smart, and just about any other carry. medusa is one of the few other carries about as bad as spectre. when it comes to weak stats, combined with abilities and passives, combined with stats per level. she is also below the majority of other carries in dota2.

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with this said, there is plenty of noobs on the forums not a good place to talk if you want to talk with smart people. such as bored cchairman.

[PowPawa]

Originally posted by sdf kljljksdf:

only people who call spectre hard carry are the noobs who played alot of dota1 but dont know much about dota2. in dota2 spectre has low stats per level and low stats starting and extremely small abilities and passives, thus with all this combined. spectre is far from the hardest of carries in dota2. maybe havebeen good hard carry in dota1, but not dota2. majority of other carries have more than spectre. spectre only does good once he gets radiances that is because radiance is decent in the mid game on any hero. not just spectre. many carries can beat him late game even luna with aghas refreshesr will have no problems eliminating him along with the rest of his team. her ult only would do 5 times his hp with aghs refresher, which is enough to take out him and the rest of his team mates. she also has 2500 cast range on her ult can be cast on the ground, and most abiliteis are no where near that cast range. and it's a huge radius aoe, and each cast of her ult works independently of each other meaning double cast means twice as much dps per second. this just luna. majority of other carries in dota2 just have much more than spectre. he stands no chance against ursa in the late assuming ursa built smart, and just about any other carry. medusa is one of the few other carries about as bad as spectre. when it comes to weak stats, combined with abilities and passives, combined with stats per level. she is also below the majority of other carries in dota2.

The purpose of spectre is not to kill the other carry. But she can kill all his team. No one else can apply radiance on all the other team. Your argument about 1 vs 1 is as smart as saying: sven sucks his cleave is useless vs an ursa.