Kaya's future.

[Magikabula]

Kaya appears to be an intelligence equivalent to Sange and Yasha. This leads me to believe it may soon be included as an ingredient in the recipies of other items. Perhaps we may get a Sange and Kaya, or a Kaya and Yasha item combo(though the synergy between effects is significantly worse than that between Sange and Yasha).

Another possibility would be a direct upgrade with an active ability, like what Manta Style is for Yasha, or Heaven's Halberd is for Sange. What would this item be, and what would the active be? If Kaya could be combined with a Sange or a Yasha, what would the stats be, and would it be worth it to combine them?

[Woody]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

I doubt we'll ever really see a ♥♥♥ item- there just aren't enough heroes who simply stack stacks to make it worth it I think.

There are quite a few int right clickers who would love this item, ench, queen, storm, od, silencer & invoker for instance.

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Originally posted by Woody:

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

I doubt we'll ever really see a ♥♥♥ item- there just aren't enough heroes who simply stack stacks to make it worth it I think.

There are quite a few int right clickers who would love this item, ench, queen, storm, od, silencer & invoker for instance.

I already mention some of heroes that would love that item
Kaya is not only for the into hero but to many other heroes

[Magikabula]

Originally posted by Woody:

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

I doubt we'll ever really see a ♥♥♥ item- there just aren't enough heroes who simply stack stacks to make it worth it I think.

There are quite a few int right clickers who would love this item, ench, queen, storm, od, silencer & invoker for instance.

I'd go further. Any hero who builds S&Y and decides he'd like a little more mana could build ♥♥♥. Any hero who likes the damage Kaya gives, but also wants to tank up a little would build Sange and Kaya. Any hero who does mixed damage would like ♥♥♥.
Venomancer would build Kaya for the damage Amp, and could easily justify finishing ♥♥♥.
Luna wouldn't have to settle on Caster Luna or Right click Luna; just build ♥♥♥.
Morphling could transition just fine from shotgun into right click by building Kaya into ♥♥♥.

♥♥♥ from its flat numbers alone would be a safe and easy option for SOOO many heroes. Hell, Storm Spirit would have a ball with the item, and I havent even tried Kaya alone on him. Shadow Fiend? You kidding me?

For this reason, I think heroes should choose two, and be unable to combine the third, so pick Sange&Yasha, Sange&Kaya, or Kayasha(which would be a pretty sick looking glaive weapon).

[Woody]

Yep there are tonnes of heroes who would love that type of item.

[Magikabula]

Okay, New Item Idea:
Saphire Edict
Components: Kaya, Aether Lense, recipe(1600)

Stats:
+250 cast range
+450 Mana
+125% mana regeneration
+16 Intelligence
+10% Spell Amp
+10% mana loss reduction

Passive: Soul Sucker. Killing a unit with magic damage will replenish 10% of that unit's HP as mana.

Active: channeling, 3 seconds. Provides a self buff for 1 second that improves the next spell or item you cast. This spell will have 40% bonus spell amp, 350 extra cast range, 100 extra radius(new mechanic, weeee!), and 25% status increase(New mechanic, X2 WEEEEEEEE!) which is the opposite of Status reduction from stuff like Grow and Aeon Disk.

NOTE: the active lasts for one spell OR item, meaning you can essentially waste the effect on a blink dagger if you try and use this to initiate.

[Woody]

Originally posted by Magikabula:

+125% mana regeneration

Mana regen like that has been removed.

Originally posted by Magikabula:

Passive: Soul Sucker. Killing a unit with magic damage will replenish 10% of that unit's HP as mana.

Hell medusa might like that but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that would be OP on storm.

[Magikabula]

Originally posted by Woody:

Originally posted by Magikabula:

+125% mana regeneration

Mana regen like that has been removed.

Yeah, I just cut and pasted from Aether Lens' new stats on the Dueling Fates page. They still had the mana regen in the old format. Whatever it's supposed to be for Aether lense, that's what it's meant to be on Saphire Edict.

Originally posted by Magikabula:

Passive: Soul Sucker. Killing a unit with magic damage will replenish 10% of that unit's HP as mana.

Hell medusa might like that but ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ that would be OP on storm.

You're probably right. 5% of max HP as mana gained might be better. I just wanted something in the same vein as mana loss reduction. Also, the entire item is more expensive than bloodstone, though the buildup is admittedly better.

[Kenvert]

Right now Kaya takes up 1 slot and has no upgrades, which makes the item not that great in the end game.

My suggestion is to make Kaya part of the upgrade for at least one of these end game intelligence heroes items:
Scythe of Vyse (Kaya replacing Mystic Staff);
Bloodthorn (Kaya replacing Crystalys);
Octarine Core (Kaya replacing Mystic Staff);

Of course its neccessary to make changes to the recipes cost or to the items total cost for balance!

[hehe]

i think aether lens + kaya could also be nice. combining into an item with both +cast range and +spell amp like the old aether lens but with higher power.

[Deepbluediver]

Originally posted by Woody:

Yep there are tonnes of heroes who would love that type of item.

I was wrong then.

[Magikabula]

Originally posted by Deepbluediver:

Originally posted by Woody:

Yep there are tonnes of heroes who would love that type of item.

I was wrong then.

I'm not saying it's perfect for everyone, but the easy buildup makes it a viable option for so many, which is why I don't think ♥♥♥ can ever happen. It would be overbuilt, like Midas and Blink before the cost nerfs.

Originally posted by Kenvert:

Right now Kaya takes up 1 slot and has no upgrades, which makes the item not that great in the end game.

My suggestion is to make Kaya part of the upgrade for at least one of these end game intelligence heroes items:
Scythe of Vyse (Kaya replacing Mystic Staff);
Bloodthorn (Kaya replacing Crystalys);
Octarine Core (Kaya replacing Mystic Staff);

Of course its neccessary to make changes to the recipes cost or to the items total cost for balance!

I could see Scythe of Vyse working out. Bloodthorn not so much, unless you want to change it so that it doesn't give crit. Octarine core is a possible option too, but Octarine already gives a lot by itself. Having one item that gives CDR, Spell Amp, Spell Lifesteal, mana loss reduction AND a heap tone of mana and HP would likely result in more nerfs to Octarine core, which I don't necessarily want (It used to give 100% mana regen AND a little HP regen!!!). Shiva's could be another candidate. Replace the Mystic Staff with Kaya, up the cost of the recipe and you're golden.

Still, I'm open to the possibility that we get brand new active item, maybe one that increases the radius of spells.

[zZzooey.exe]

mfw people using ♥♥♥ unironically

[Magikabula]

Originally posted by l i l y p a d s:

mfw people using ♥♥♥ unironically

What is yfw people use ♥♥♥ unironically? Is it the same face as your profile pic? If so, that's really weird. Do nerds on the internet turn you on when they use abreviations? If so, did you marry a nerd? If not, maybe--
You know what? I've been cruel enough and so i'm gonna stop.

Originally posted by Mind Bullets:

Originally posted by Magikabula:

Maybe give it an active or passive of some kind that also gives you stacking - magic resist?

Sorry this really wasn't clear on re-reading it. I meant minus magic resist as a stacking debuff to the enemy.

I've been thinking about this idea, and I think you may be on to something with this stacking debuff thing. If we give a slight buff to Kaya that lets basic attacks have a chance to remove magic resistance from enemies, we might have a reason for Kaya to actually have some synergy with Sange and/or Yasha.

[zZzooey.exe]

Originally posted by Magikabula:

Originally posted by l i l y p a d s:

mfw people using ♥♥♥ unironically

What is yfw people use ♥♥♥ unironically? Is it the same face as your profile pic? If so, that's really weird. Do nerds on the internet turn you on when they use abreviations? If so, did you marry a nerd? If not, maybe--
You know what? I've been cruel enough and so i'm gonna stop.

Originally posted by Mind Bullets:

Sorry this really wasn't clear on re-reading it. I meant minus magic resist as a stacking debuff to the enemy.

I've been thinking about this idea, and I think you may be on to something with this stacking debuff thing. If we give a slight buff to Kaya that lets basic attacks have a chance to remove magic resistance from enemies, we might have a reason for Kaya to actually have some synergy with Sange and/or Yasha.

mfw people get tiggered

[Magikabula]

Originally posted by l i l y p a d s:

Originally posted by Magikabula:

What is yfw people use ♥♥♥ unironically? Is it the same face as your profile pic? If so, that's really weird. Do nerds on the internet turn you on when they use abreviations? If so, did you marry a nerd? If not, maybe--
You know what? I've been cruel enough and so i'm gonna stop.


I've been thinking about this idea, and I think you may be on to something with this stacking debuff thing. If we give a slight buff to Kaya that lets basic attacks have a chance to remove magic resistance from enemies, we might have a reason for Kaya to actually have some synergy with Sange and/or Yasha.

mfw people get tiggered

You still haven't answered any of my questions! Now I'm even more curious! What IS your face when people get triggered? It can't be your profile pic, because that's your face when people use ♥♥♥ unironically. Do you have the same face for both? Is that your only face? Was it stuck like that from birth? What did the doctors say about that? Is it a genentic condition or did something happen during the pregnancy?
I'M SO CONFUSED!!!!!!