Cataclysm

[bbbbb]

I really don't get that invoker talent. Who need skills to hit sunstrike? Am i playing siltbreaker? What's the point? Supports from all over the world, UNITE! :)

[Fistraiser]

Really because its not that complicated to understand.
It says it places 2 sunstrikes besides each hero on enemy map.
Each sunstrike can do about 450 damage meaning you can hit all enemy heros for a total of 900 damage
Its quite strong and a great team fight nuke.

Whereas normal sunstrike plants 1 sunstrike for 450 damage

Or maybe you are suggesting you are so pro you can land a total of 10 sunstrikes at same time directly besides the enemies manually.Because i´d really be intersted to see you try do that.

[765611988121469111]

its a double click ability that will be casted around the enemy if u have vision if it stays like this invoker will have high win rate

[Weird Grim]

Catalysm makes 2 sunstrikes whitch of the second sunstrike is visible to the enemy, but if that lands it's 900 pure global damage.

[bbbbb]

Wtf guys!? I understand how cataclysm works, but i think that talent is just too much. That makes teamfight vs invoker + one hero with mass stun practically lost (if you play on higher mmr where people know how to position themselves). My point is that you don't need skill anymore to land sunstrikes... And that's bad when u don't need skill for landing spells such as sunstrike.

[Fistraiser]

It's at lvl 20 though so until lvl 20 you have to sunstroke as normal.
Also it would be wasted to secure one kill especially with a 90 second cooldown.
So still for most of the game you have to aim your sun strikes manually.

[bbbbb]

Are you rettttttarrrrrded, or you think i'm rettttttarrrrrded? Bro, read what i wrote. I know on which lvl u get that talent, and i know how it works. You missing ma point. Should all supports stop buying supp items and rush towards bkb, so they don't get wiped in teamfights? And even bigger problem is that you dont need skill to land it anymore. You get it bro?

edit: and not only supports! and still, bkb is not guarantee that u will live after that if they initiate well.

[Fistraiser]

I think you are stupid.Because you are saying that you dont need skill to hit sunstrikes but like i have stated you still need skill to land sunstrikes pre lvl 20.
Also a dead Invoker cant cast cataclysm so you prioritize taking him out fast.
Also you have silencer global silence ot use on initiate.
So now your supports shouldnt focus on items to survive cataclysm.They should focus on disablign invoker in team fight.
That should be kinda obvious though.
Also tp scroll to base wiht low hp like you do after team fight if zeus is missing you now apply same to Invoker.
Also you can move out of sunstrikes with good reflexes.
Force staff etc.

[bbbbb]

ya not much of listener, are you? let me guess, ya 2k max? :)

[Fistraiser]

Originally posted by Mikrob:

ya not much of listener, are you? let me guess, ya 2k max? :)

Yes lets pull out mmr numbers because we made a flawed argument

[bbbbb]

Yea :)

[GigaChad]

YOu 2 just ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ noob ♥♥♥♥

[Magikabula]

Originally posted by Mikrob:

I really don't get that invoker talent. Who need skills to hit sunstrike? Am i playing siltbreaker? What's the point? Supports from all over the world, UNITE! :)

Here, let me quote you directly so you don't accuse me of not reading what you wrote. You don't get the talent, but you know how it works mechanically. I can only assume you don't get something else about it. Who need's skills? Is this meant to be a sarcastic question?

Originally posted by Mikrob:

Wtf guys!? I understand how cataclysm works, but i think that talent is just too much.

Oh, you think it's overpowered! As a level 20 talent that makes Sunstrike have a 90 sec CD, it's on par with many ultimates.

That makes teamfight vs invoker + one hero with mass stun practically lost (if you play on higher mmr where people know how to position themselves). My point is that you don't need skill anymore to land sunstrikes... And that's bad when u don't need skill for landing spells such as sunstrike.

But you do need skills to land sunstrike, AND Cataclysm. Last I checked, a hero with a mass stun + any decent damage skillshot nuke already kills everyone. Enigma/Tide/Magnus are very ultimate focused heroes with long CD's on their ults for precisely this reason, but if they wiff their ults, or use them without any good followup, they kind of suck. Cataclysm is that followup, but I don't see how it's much more devistating than an ulted Sven following up, or a QoP blink ult followup, or a Zeus Veil Ult Chain Lightning spam.

What's the point?

It's ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ awesome, that's the point!

[doom007]

Originally posted by HELLODARKNESSMYOLDFRIEND:

hey guys watch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8Xbf8CapE0 at 5:18

valve could make this game even more crappy and cancerous and buggy

and if he didnt have that he still would have emp and meteor, and with aa ult would still result in the same outcome.

[doom007]

invoker was right there

[BIAGGI]

Just stop playing pls guys. You have no idea how imba invoker with 27 spell was. Adapt, survive, improvise.