I wasted time learning Naga Siren

[Baro-san]

Alright, first of all, before you get bored of reading and just decide to call me a noob or bad let me state a few things: I am pretty bad, I know. This is not why I write this, I want to state the problems that I have with the hero and the answers I expect are either what exactly I am supposed to do if I were good at the game or that the hero is weak at the moment and that I should stop trying, and no, I do not want you to lie to me that she is bad just so my ego is not hurt, it already was when the enemy said "ez".

Ok let's start:
I played 15 games with Naga just so I can get the hang of her and I watched some videos of pros playing her, once I get my Radiance (roughly at minute 20 in every game) I can farm 3 jungle camps and a lane at the same time and my best was 550 farm at around 45 minutes (I know 600 and more is possible but I only started playing DOTA consistently for about 5 months and I completed my placement games for the first time with 2485 MMR so I am not pro, I know I am making mistakes, I am not efficient at farming, my micro is bad and I have poor game knowledge).

The problem is that even after I reach full build she is too weak to do anything, she is so easily countered with just one Hero, let alone 3 like the last game. An Ember spirit basically made me useless against him in the early as well as late game, he built Veil and Mjolnir, even with all the items I listed above they were melted by his Sleight of Fist, how do I counter that? They also had Tinker and Enigma, which I read that they are counters more or less.

And the illusions also deal pathetic damage now that the Diffusal Blade got nerfed on them.

The worst part is that I can rarely even reach the point where I am a threat to a single person (considering they didn't counter me with a tiny bit of AOE damage), farming in the jungle means I either get attacked or killed or they push the other lanes and kill my team, reaching those late game items means that my team needs to be able to survive without me, and most of the time that also means that they don't need me at all to finish, so what's the point. It's either lose before you can theoretically do something or farm in vain because your team carries you anyway.

[Purdurabu]

Well make your dotabuff public so we can see how you play naga.

[generalBF]

the problem is, you need to pick heroes according to your team's and enemy team's hero picks.
synergies, counters, you need to consider these factors when choosing a hero. can't just pick naga every game, you'll lose most of them. Just like I did with CK, got countered so hard I only had 20% win rate with him (my fav hero)

[Baro-san]

引用自 Disciple of Shadows：

from my experience playing naga, I would say we wont be having fun playing him much this patch....naga got counter by sd, lion, tanky support, good rotation, early lane pressure.

anyway, from ward I read, you sound pretty good at naga..I think you are slightly better..
but what I like to stress is if you have radiance, you should send illusion ONLY to their jungle..but send it to lane more the closer the creep meets to your area..

naga illusions are not suppoed to tank at all early..just let them kite the wave with their superior ms..

and also always indly send at least 1 illusion to any support decide to engage you illusion..most support will die

Well this is really helpful, I'll send the clones in their jungle from now on. And behind their towers to kill creeps when possible.

[Jobless PoS]

glad I can help..I highly recomend not to pick against leshrac...if you ulti while his ulti is running it will be nightmare to your teammate

[76561198150855778]

引用自 Baro-San：

引用自 Disciple of Shadows：

from my experience playing naga, I would say we wont be having fun playing him much this patch....naga got counter by sd, lion, tanky support, good rotation, early lane pressure.

anyway, from ward I read, you sound pretty good at naga..I think you are slightly better..
but what I like to stress is if you have radiance, you should send illusion ONLY to their jungle..but send it to lane more the closer the creep meets to your area..

naga illusions are not suppoed to tank at all early..just let them kite the wave with their superior ms..

and also always indly send at least 1 illusion to any support decide to engage you illusion..most support will die

Well this is really helpful, I'll send the clones in their jungle from now on. And behind their towers to kill creeps when possible.

15 naga games+watch pro players as naga+ make thread bout naga > at last starting to use illu to farm!
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the fck? i thougth u watched pro naga if u git 20 mint rad after quelling arc aquila shield, i guess it's acceptable yust try ur best to do efficient stack farm/ camp clear with illu/ prolong tower with ur ult, basically every little things u do adds up to ur performance~ even more so when u play ♥♥♥♥♥ siren

[Methegregrade]

You can not pick naga in every game, she is just not good against some heroes. Going with the octarine build means that your not that big of a threat fighting enemies but split pushing lanes. If you have trouble surviving you can use always ult and tp out or get aghanim's which heals you and your teammates ~70% of your hp.

[Deepbluediver]

引用自 Baro-San：

Well this is really helpful, I'll send the clones in their jungle from now on. And behind their towers to kill creeps when possible.

If you'd post your dotabuff so we can see these matches for ourselves there might be more advice we can offer you.

[Ruby]

naga need at least 18-20 minutes of free farm, so in that time your teammates must play 4vs5. After radiance you start a long rat siege with illusions on each lines You don't need a fights. Your opponents will die slowly. Or you make she as support =)

[Ðenji]

u are ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ retarded if u think naga is ♥♥♥♥, go watch a pro game and see if u think shes weak.

[76561198150855778]

before u think u're wasting time learning certain hero gotta think what are u doing in life, being good in a game could feel good but having a priority goal is necessity

[Baro-san]

引用自 abdul_aziz4637：

引用自 Baro-San：

Well this is really helpful, I'll send the clones in their jungle from now on. And behind their towers to kill creeps when possible.

15 naga games+watch pro players as naga+ make thread bout naga > at last starting to use illu to farm!
......
...
the fck? i thougth u watched pro naga if u git 20 mint rad after quelling arc aquila shield, i guess it's acceptable yust try ur best to do efficient stack farm/ camp clear with illu/ prolong tower with ur ult, basically every little things u do adds up to ur performance~ even more so when u play ♥♥♥♥♥ siren

Who told you I don't use illusions to farm? I said I farm 3 camps and the lane, but I never sent them in their jungle, just into mine.

[DUCKBRAIN]

引用自 Baro-San：

Alright, first of all, before you get bored of reading and just decide to call me a noob or bad let me state a few things: I am pretty bad, I know. This is not why I write this, I want to state the problems that I have with the hero and the answers I expect are either what exactly I am supposed to do if I were good at the game or that the hero is weak at the moment and that I should stop trying, and no, I do not want you to lie to me that she is bad just so my ego is not hurt, it already was when the enemy said "ez".

Ok let's start:
I played 15 games with Naga just so I can get the hang of her and I watched some videos of pros playing her, once I get my Radiance (roughly at minute 20 in every game) I can farm 3 jungle camps and a lane at the same time and my best was 550 farm at around 45 minutes (I know 600 and more is possible but I only started playing DOTA consistently for about 5 months and I completed my placement games for the first time with 2485 MMR so I am not pro, I know I am making mistakes, I am not efficient at farming, my micro is bad and I have poor game knowledge).

The problem is that even after I reach full build she is too weak to do anything, she is so easily countered with just one Hero, let alone 3 like the last game. An Ember spirit basically made me useless against him in the early as well as late game, he built Veil and Mjolnir, even with all the items I listed above they were melted by his Sleight of Fist, how do I counter that? They also had Tinker and Enigma, which I read that they are counters more or less.

And the illusions also deal pathetic damage now that the Diffusal Blade got nerfed on them.

The worst part is that I can rarely even reach the point where I am a threat to a single person (considering they didn't counter me with a tiny bit of AOE damage), farming in the jungle means I either get attacked or killed or they push the other lanes and kill my team, reaching those late game items means that my team needs to be able to survive without me, and most of the time that also means that they don't need me at all to finish, so what's the point. It's either lose before you can theoretically do something or farm in vain because your team carries you anyway.

just play shadow fiend .

[Baro-san]

引用自 Deepbluediver：

引用自 Baro-San：

Well this is really helpful, I'll send the clones in their jungle from now on. And behind their towers to kill creeps when possible.

If you'd post your dotabuff so we can see these matches for ourselves there might be more advice we can offer you.

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/112207198

This?

[Jobless PoS]

引用自 Baro-San：

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/112207198

This?

I knew you are better than most people naga seeing you having 50% winrate for naga when her overall winrate is 45%...I actually have that feeling reading on your post

think alot before picking naga..I believe you will win a lot with her then!!

[zZzooey.exe]

It sounds like when you are trying to ''learn a hero'' in this case Naga, you dont go and play 15 straight games of naga first pick.
Naga is situational, just like almost any carry.
Jeez just look at this match history lol
https://www.dotabuff.com/players/112207198