PA = Spectre?

[Lucifer Morningstar]

Hey guys, I haven't played WC3 or Dota All Stars but some people suggest that PA and Spectre has some kind of connection or are even the exact same person. Is there anyone here who played WC3 who can confirm/deny this? Just kept me thinking.

[Lucifer Morningstar]

Originally posted by A Kiss-Like Smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzhxtdHNAyM

Is a theory video about it.

A summary:

Her Arcana represents a future version of herself where she has accepted the contract Oracle gave her. Said contract is neverending and she slowly starts to become more blurry/ghost-like as we see in the Arcana, with Spectre being the eventual end result.

It is best to watch the video for all of the reasoning behind it all, but some points are very interesting, such as them having somewhat similar kits from a thematic perspective.

Both have a dagger that slows, both have a means of avoiding damage, both have a means of instantly crossing distances to targets and both have a means of increasing damage dealt to their target.

I am not sure whether it is intentional or just a cool coincidence, but I find the idea interesting.

I've seen that video, but thats just a theory. I found some one on forums saying that Spectre was the ultimate of PA in WC3, but I did not quite understand what that ment. We need a WC3 lore expert here boiz.

[Λ L ｜ Ξ N]

Pa (Maiev not Mortred my bad sorry) had as a ultimate a skill that when she dies she spawned a spirit that looked like vengeful spirit or when she killed some1... I forgot how exactly her ult was but im shure that the spirit spawnd was venge not spectre (as a model)
Ok my bad again .. did some researches and this is how PA (Maive) ult worked.. she could spawn spirits from nearby corpses that looked like spectre and those spirit could summen other spirits that looked like venge :D

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Here is an interesting tidbit, KOTL refers to Mortred as a great beauty, and says the EXACT same thing about Spectre... and if PA became Spectre because of Oracle, there is another line when Spectre kills Oracle in-game: Did you forsee this Oracle? which at first seems to be another generic one liner, but thinking about how Oracle may have been the one that started it all and made PA who she was, and then turned her into Spectre, thats a line that screams revenge (AND A WHOLE LOT OF BITTERNESS BECAUSE OF THE LONG LONG JOURNEY ORACLE AND PA WENT ON) by PA/Spectre and states the irony of Oracle making his own killer.

Long story short, I get that its a leap and a theory, but man does it make sense to me. It may be impossible to prove the theory, but I dont think you can easily disprove it either.

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Originally posted by A Kiss-Like Smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzhxtdHNAyM
Both have a dagger that slows, both have a means of avoiding damage, both have a means of instantly crossing distances to targets and both have a means of increasing damage dealt to their target.

Yeah and both are blurry in game.

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Originally posted by Prince Johnny:

Originally posted by A Kiss-Like Smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzhxtdHNAyM
Both have a dagger that slows, both have a means of avoiding damage, both have a means of instantly crossing distances to targets and both have a means of increasing damage dealt to their target.

Yeah and both are blurry in game.

Yep, its scary cool how accurate this theory is looking.

[Sneaky]

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[Cal]

I think, yes.
Spectre is the presentation of PA's Arcana who has been traveled in many dimensional.
Long story short, it turning PA's body to another form

[Qai]

Skill 1
PA: stifling dagger
Spectre: spectral dagger

Skill 2
PA: bonus attack speed -> bonus damage
Spectre: bonus damage

Skill 3
PA: blurr -> reduced incoming damage
Spectre: dispersion -> reduced incoming damage

[Weird Grim]

Originally posted by Qai:

Skill 1
PA: stifling dagger
Spectre: spectral dagger

Skill 2
PA: bonus attack speed -> bonus damage
Spectre: bonus damage

Skill 3
PA: blurr -> reduced incoming damage
Spectre: dispersion -> reduced incoming damage

PA: blink to enemy
Spectre: sent ghost to all enemy's

[hazecloud ( ☞♥◞ ♥)]

Thanks to this thread, I always like lore and stuff. Gotta know more.

[Lucifer Morningstar]

Necroed thread go back to dead!

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i think, it's probably her shadow/dark side. mortred's bright side is probably out there somewhere also...

[MVP_lCE™]

Spectre is Phantom Assassin's dark or haunted side.

[BlIndInglIght4219]

Originally posted by Λ L ｜ Ξ N:

Pa (Maiev not Mortred my bad sorry) had as a ultimate a skill that when she dies she spawned a spirit that looked like vengeful spirit or when she killed some1... I forgot how exactly her ult was but im shure that the spirit spawnd was venge not spectre (as a model)
Ok my bad again .. did some researches and this is how PA (Maive) ult worked.. she could spawn spirits from nearby corpses that looked like spectre and those spirit could summen other spirits that looked like venge :D

No ... PA (Mortred, same thing), in the WAR3 lore is Maiev.
You can play her, and she has 4 skills.

The ultimate is this one : " Vengeance (Name of the skill)
Creates a powerful avatar that summons invulnerable spirits from friendly corpses to attack your enemies. When the Avatar of Vengeance dies, the spirits vanish. "

It means, when you have friendly dead bodies on the ground, you can use you ulti to create a powerful Avatar. This avatar is Spectre.

It's Spectre, that summons little vengerful spritis, that are invulnerable.

IT'S JUST A SPELL OF MAIEV. Which means, that spectre is a part of mortred. Not her bad side of anything, just a creature she summons, in order to win battles.

This ultimate is really powerfull.
She's not a bad side, just a powerfull spirit that comes out of Maiev body's. It's just magic.