HOW THE ♥♥♥♥ DO I COUNTER VIPER IN THE EARLY GAME

[staku]

I keep seeing him in my games and I do not have a clue on how to counter him in the early game. Someone help please viper is so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ annoying to deal with especially with his corrosive skin.

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by BPD ♥♥♥♥ 🚬:

pick something to deal him dmg aswell... bristleback jakiro

"I never turn me back on an enemy!" -Bristleback

[chup chup]

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

Originally posted by BPD ♥♥♥♥ 🚬:

pick something to deal him dmg aswell... bristleback jakiro

"I never turn me back on an enemy!" -Bristleback

but when everyone play him, it always turning back from enemies attack

[BossGalaga]

Originally posted by Ihza:

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

"I never turn me back on an enemy!" -Bristleback

but when everyone play him, it always turning back from enemies attack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk

[chup chup]

Originally posted by BossGalaga:

Originally posted by Ihza:

but when everyone play him, it always turning back from enemies attack

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xECUrlnXCqk

lmao

[HolyLight]

Same problem.. Viper its too strong right now..

[Garou]

gank mid yo. And don't go in fighting 1v1

[macadamstreet]

Originally posted by Ihza:

Idk how to counter him in early game but I think bristle isn't bad

BB is horrible for counter viper ... maybe he deal lots with his squill... still each squill reinitialize the poison passiv on him

lina is good for counter viper early, because she have the longuest standard range for harass (better than viper poison attack) and her dragon slave make good deal, also she have a stun and crazy ult

[lulborne]

BB gets kited too easily against Viper, unable to get close to anyone. Viper with a Dragon Lance can stays out of quill's range and kill BB.

Anyway, as I said, just pick heroes with illusions or summons or Meepo. Viper is all about single target damage/kiting. Even with a Maelstrom/Mjonnir, he won't have crowd control. Phantom Lancer is a good one, Naga, Terrorblade... Can also pick heroes that usually buy manta like Alch, AM, Juggernault... Lycan can also be interesting. He can't be slowed by Viper when he's a wolf and he has his wolfs to kite Viper.

[cyberpinoy]

Originally posted by CryKen:

I keep seeing him in my games and I do not have a clue on how to counter him in the early game. Someone help please viper is so ♥♥♥♥ing annoying to deal with especially with his corrosive skin.

Just dont hit him unless you have full health and have to, deny everything you can to hold his farm back. Let him push to your tower and then kill all his creeps and let your creeps hit him and damage him. rinse and repeat. Stay away from his first skill range so he cant spray you and harass you, but stay close enough to the creeps to get your XP.

Do not hit him with overtime skills. Like anything that delivers damage over time, becasue everytime it damages him he damages you. If you do want to hit him and harass him (which is not advisable early game) have a handful of tangos (which he could also have). Keep tight rune control so if you are denying properly he cant get his XP and gold from the runes. (that would involve intelligence on your teammates part as well)

[Vik]

Theres a few ways to counter viper in early game. depending on the situation...

2v2 lane enemy Viper---> if in 2v2 scenario never attack Viper. you and your Lane mate must focus on sending the other Hero back to base. Target viper's ally team member. This way u will have some space in your lane and Viper will fall back just because he is now 1v2..

1v1 Viper--> if u are facing viper alone in early game , understand the enemy vipers skill build.
Most Viper's usually try to upgrade thier "Poison Attack" skill to max first. That means they will only be upgrading "corrosive skin" to either lvl1/ lvl2 in Early game upto say lvl7-8 ..

Corrosive skin deals back a dmg of 40.. each time u attack viper keep this in mind and attack wisely.

Try to avoid direct attacks on viper. Try skills which will not activate his corrosive skin
for example: Venomancer's Serpent ward, lycans Wolves, beastmasters Boar and annoy viper.
also Try Cleaving damage hero such as Sven or Magnus, attack a Creep near viper and deal dmg which will not proc the corrosive skin.
Use Chain / Untargeted skills : chain lightning the creep instead of viper, AoE damage, untargeted Line stun/wave

Most importantly always stay more than 80% HP at all times. Viper also has NetherToxin ability which will Amplify damage exponentially as your HP goes down.

Try playing with Viper yourself and figure out Vipers gameplay, maybe that will give you some ideas of your own to counter viper.

[macadamstreet]

Originally posted by Fluke:

Try to avoid direct attacks on viper. Try skills which will not activate his corrosive skin
for example: Venomancer's Serpent ward, lycans Wolves, beastmasters Boar and annoy viper.
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i can not recommend this....
viper will easily kill them without problem and this grant him more gold easily, each wolf, each boar and each ward will give viper more gold.

avoid this as possible

[Vik]

macadamstreet: I agree with your assesment, however in situation where viper is harrazing you a lot. I think it might be beneficial to throw away a few +5/+10 gold just so that you yourself can farm in lane. Although might not be ideal, however it does let u stay in lane a lot longer . kind of like a bribe to viper to not hit u :p lol

[Nersius]

How do you counter Huskar in the early game? You don't, you just feed him as little as possible and outscale him.

Banishes work well on him in the meantime, and Shadow Demon vs Viper can get a bit lulzy at times during mid-game skirmises.