Total noob here, keep running out of mana while laning.

[Slyther]

Any advice/tips for maintaining my mana during laning while still being able to harass? I love experimenting with dark seer and undying but I keep on completely running oom before I can even complete an item. Any advice on maintaining my mana throughout the early game?

[ousqa]

Don't spqm your spells. Only use them when you know you'll deal decent damage.

[lumina]

Spam your spells but bring a clarity or two to lane with you. Then buy regen as needed, and get to the fountain when carries are about to use it.

[ousqa]

Originally posted by lumina:

Spam your spells but bring a clarity or two to lane with you. Then buy regen as needed, and get to the fountain when carries are about to use it.

Depends what hero you are

[Purdurabu]

with darkseer buy 3 clarities and a soul ring recipe and pop an ion shell on your own melee creep when it runs past your tower , immediatly use a clarity to then pop a second ion shell on another of your own meele creeps as soon as the cd is off. rinse and repeat untill yo ucan buy yourself a soulring which massively boosts your mana.

[Alejandro]

you need to relax on your skills and just use them when you think it fits

[Luka Tim]

Originally posted by Alejandro:

you need to relax on your skills and just use them when you think it fits

This and buy mangos, clarity , soulring, read up about each of the items

[lumina]

Again, you don't need to use your skills less. Watch front page games and how they do it. Skills are spammed all game. They spam them to harrass and they spam them to farm.

You just need to focus on getting enough regen, which is cheap. An early RoB does wonders. Clarities are very cheap and helpful. A wand will do wonders if your enemy has spells to spam. Etc... Rushing arcane boots is also good on a lot of mana dependent heroes. Soul ring works well. There are a lot of cheap items that give + mana regen, or + intelligence.

[Alejandro]

Originally posted by lumina:

Again, you don't need to use your skills less. Watch front page games and how they do it. Skills are spammed all game. They spam them to harrass and they spam them to farm.

You just need to focus on getting enough regen, which is cheap. An early RoB does wonders. Clarities are very cheap and helpful. A wand will do wonders if your enemy has spells to spam. Etc... Rushing arcane boots is also good on a lot of mana dependent heroes. Soul ring works well. There are a lot of cheap items that give + mana regen, or + intelligence.

Well with some heroes you can't spam skills, Zeus at lvl 1 if you spam you're out of mana fast, CM also out of mana and so many types of heroes, Dark Seer 1 shell is enough and you don't need to put another one right after your cooldown is over and so on...

There is no real need for spaming a skill.

[lumina]

Originally posted by Alejandro:

Originally posted by lumina:

Again, you don't need to use your skills less. Watch front page games and how they do it. Skills are spammed all game. They spam them to harrass and they spam them to farm.

You just need to focus on getting enough regen, which is cheap. An early RoB does wonders. Clarities are very cheap and helpful. A wand will do wonders if your enemy has spells to spam. Etc... Rushing arcane boots is also good on a lot of mana dependent heroes. Soul ring works well. There are a lot of cheap items that give + mana regen, or + intelligence.

Well with some heroes you can't spam skills, Zeus at lvl 1 if you spam you're out of mana fast, CM also out of mana and so many types of heroes, Dark Seer 1 shell is enough and you don't need to put another one right after your cooldown is over and so on...

There is no real need for spaming a skill.

You can spam spells if you know how. CM is very easy to do it with as I do it all the time. Take a single clarity and you can root enemies 4 times before reaching level 2, at which point you have a crap ton of mana. Zues needs a couple clarities and rush Bottle. He is a hero you should he spammjng spells on as that is what he does. He should be used just like DP mid, which is spam q to secure farm and push the enemy out of lane. Zues' range with his Q is what makes him such a good mid. Not many heroes can deal with that.

Again, watch pros or watch front page games. They all spam abilities alsomst as often as they are up. They use abilities 5 times as much as people in my < 3k games, because people at lower ratings think like you most of the time.

I mean, I see people in my games who start to rage if they see people farming with spells. Then every pro game I watch has them spamming spells to farm. It makes me laugh.

[D. Igne Natura Renovatur Integra]

Originally posted by lumina:

Originally posted by Alejandro:

Well with some heroes you can't spam skills, Zeus at lvl 1 if you spam you're out of mana fast, CM also out of mana and so many types of heroes, Dark Seer 1 shell is enough and you don't need to put another one right after your cooldown is over and so on...

There is no real need for spaming a skill.

You can spam spells if you know how. CM is very easy to do it with as I do it all the time. Take a single clarity and you can root enemies 4 times before reaching level 2, at which point you have a crap ton of mana. Zues needs a couple clarities and rush Bottle. He is a hero you should he spammjng spells on as that is what he does. He should be used just like DP mid, which is spam q to secure farm and push the enemy out of lane. Zues' range with his Q is what makes him such a good mid. Not many heroes can deal with that.

Again, watch pros or watch front page games. They all spam abilities alsomst as often as they are up. They use abilities 5 times as much as people in my < 3k games, because people at lower ratings think like you most of the time.

I mean, I see people in my games who start to rage if they see people farming with spells. Then every pro game I watch has them spamming spells to farm. It makes me laugh.

The problem is getting the mana items

[Alejandro]

Originally posted by lumina:

Originally posted by Alejandro:

Well with some heroes you can't spam skills, Zeus at lvl 1 if you spam you're out of mana fast, CM also out of mana and so many types of heroes, Dark Seer 1 shell is enough and you don't need to put another one right after your cooldown is over and so on...

There is no real need for spaming a skill.

You can spam spells if you know how. CM is very easy to do it with as I do it all the time. Take a single clarity and you can root enemies 4 times before reaching level 2, at which point you have a crap ton of mana. Zues needs a couple clarities and rush Bottle. He is a hero you should he spammjng spells on as that is what he does. He should be used just like DP mid, which is spam q to secure farm and push the enemy out of lane. Zues' range with his Q is what makes him such a good mid. Not many heroes can deal with that.

Again, watch pros or watch front page games. They all spam abilities alsomst as often as they are up. They use abilities 5 times as much as people in my < 3k games, because people at lower ratings think like you most of the time.

I mean, I see people in my games who start to rage if they see people farming with spells. Then every pro game I watch has them spamming spells to farm. It makes me laugh.

You're so dumb, I buy clarities but that doesn't mean you can just spam skills that have 9 sec cooldown. If you play CM and you use frostbite twice in 20 sec at lvl 1 you need to wait to have mana in order to use it again and then you have no control of your lane meaning if they rush your carry he's dead and you can't do anything about it.

I have no problems with mana when I play in general but I used to know how it feels when you spam skills and find yourself in trouble very fast, this is why I said to OP that he should know when to use his skills and not to spam them as soon as he can.

The point of skills is to use them when you need to and not waste them, CM frosbite can be used both as a zoning skill and defensive skill, if you spend 2 in less than a minute of laning you have no control and need to spend your clarities and if the hero against your lane is for whatever reason ranged you can get that canceled but even if it's not calceled you are a walking creep.

Using spells in lane requires a brain and it doesn't matter if you carry 5 clarities, if you use your spell in the wrong moment it's on cooldown and the enemy will know how to punish it, you can have 3 mangos on Juggernaut but after you used your spin it's on cooldown for 40 sec and you can die it's that simple.

Stop being trash, nobody with skill will tell a new player to just buy clarities and spam skills, highly punishable gameplay.

[lumina]

Originally posted by Alejandro:

Originally posted by lumina:

You can spam spells if you know how. CM is very easy to do it with as I do it all the time. Take a single clarity and you can root enemies 4 times before reaching level 2, at which point you have a crap ton of mana. Zues needs a couple clarities and rush Bottle. He is a hero you should he spammjng spells on as that is what he does. He should be used just like DP mid, which is spam q to secure farm and push the enemy out of lane. Zues' range with his Q is what makes him such a good mid. Not many heroes can deal with that.

Again, watch pros or watch front page games. They all spam abilities alsomst as often as they are up. They use abilities 5 times as much as people in my < 3k games, because people at lower ratings think like you most of the time.

I mean, I see people in my games who start to rage if they see people farming with spells. Then every pro game I watch has them spamming spells to farm. It makes me laugh.

You're so dumb, I buy clarities but that doesn't mean you can just spam skills that have 9 sec cooldown. If you play CM and you use frostbite twice in 20 sec at lvl 1 you need to wait to have mana in order to use it again and then you have no control of your lane meaning if they rush your carry he's dead and you can't do anything about it.

I have no problems with mana when I play in general but I used to know how it feels when you spam skills and find yourself in trouble very fast, this is why I said to OP that he should know when to use his skills and not to spam them as soon as he can.

The point of skills is to use them when you need to and not waste them, CM frosbite can be used both as a zoning skill and defensive skill, if you spend 2 in less than a minute of laning you have no control and need to spend your clarities and if the hero against your lane is for whatever reason ranged you can get that canceled but even if it's not calceled you are a walking creep.

Using spells in lane requires a brain and it doesn't matter if you carry 5 clarities, if you use your spell in the wrong moment it's on cooldown and the enemy will know how to punish it, you can have 3 mangos on Juggernaut but after you used your spin it's on cooldown for 40 sec and you can die it's that simple.

Stop being trash, nobody with skill will tell a new player to just buy clarities and spam skills, highly punishable gameplay.

I'm dumb and trash because your definition of spamming skills is that they must be used the second they are off cooldown, every time.

Just lol...

Have you ever watched a pro match? Are they all dumb too?

I'm the dumb one, but you don't know how to stay out of range, or in the trees, and keep your clarity going lol... Ok kid.

This is still situational, but you are wrong with pretty much every one of your examples as you act like a whiney child. Obviously you don't want to spam your stun if you are playing safe lane WK. Most heroes should be using their skills constantly though. Why save the mana when it's so easy to get more? A good example is a front page game I just saw. The TB went to lane and used metamorphasis as soon as the creeps got there. He then used it every time it was off cooldown, while doing the same with his other skills as he got them. That is a TB, who has mana problems. Securing early last hits and harrass like this is very useful.

You can settle down and try to talk like civil human being. There is no need to be so ragey.

[Alejandro]

Originally posted by lumina:

Originally posted by Alejandro:

You're so dumb, I buy clarities but that doesn't mean you can just spam skills that have 9 sec cooldown. If you play CM and you use frostbite twice in 20 sec at lvl 1 you need to wait to have mana in order to use it again and then you have no control of your lane meaning if they rush your carry he's dead and you can't do anything about it.

I have no problems with mana when I play in general but I used to know how it feels when you spam skills and find yourself in trouble very fast, this is why I said to OP that he should know when to use his skills and not to spam them as soon as he can.

The point of skills is to use them when you need to and not waste them, CM frosbite can be used both as a zoning skill and defensive skill, if you spend 2 in less than a minute of laning you have no control and need to spend your clarities and if the hero against your lane is for whatever reason ranged you can get that canceled but even if it's not calceled you are a walking creep.

Using spells in lane requires a brain and it doesn't matter if you carry 5 clarities, if you use your spell in the wrong moment it's on cooldown and the enemy will know how to punish it, you can have 3 mangos on Juggernaut but after you used your spin it's on cooldown for 40 sec and you can die it's that simple.

Stop being trash, nobody with skill will tell a new player to just buy clarities and spam skills, highly punishable gameplay.

I'm dumb and trash because your definition of spamming skills is that they must be used the second they are off cooldown, every time.

Just lol...

Have you ever watched a pro match? Are they all dumb too?

I'm the dumb one, but you don't know how to stay out of range, or in the trees, and keep your clarity going lol... Ok kid.

This is still situational, but you are wrong with pretty much every one of your examples as you act like a whiney child. Obviously you don't want to spam your stun if you are playing safe lane WK. Most heroes should be using their skills constantly though. Why save the mana when it's so easy to get more? A good example is a front page game I just saw. The TB went to lane and used metamorphasis as soon as the creeps got there. He then used it every time it was off cooldown, while doing the same with his other skills as he got them. That is a TB, who has mana problems. Securing early last hits and harrass like this is very useful.

You can settle down and try to talk like civil human being. There is no need to be so ragey.

I watched more pro games than you have known about this game kid, nobody spams skills go sleep.

[lumina]

Originally posted by Alejandro:

Originally posted by lumina:

I'm dumb and trash because your definition of spamming skills is that they must be used the second they are off cooldown, every time.

Just lol...

Have you ever watched a pro match? Are they all dumb too?

I'm the dumb one, but you don't know how to stay out of range, or in the trees, and keep your clarity going lol... Ok kid.

This is still situational, but you are wrong with pretty much every one of your examples as you act like a whiney child. Obviously you don't want to spam your stun if you are playing safe lane WK. Most heroes should be using their skills constantly though. Why save the mana when it's so easy to get more? A good example is a front page game I just saw. The TB went to lane and used metamorphasis as soon as the creeps got there. He then used it every time it was off cooldown, while doing the same with his other skills as he got them. That is a TB, who has mana problems. Securing early last hits and harrass like this is very useful.

You can settle down and try to talk like civil human being. There is no need to be so ragey.

I watched more pro games than you have known about this game kid, nobody spams skills go sleep.

You aren't old enough for any of that to be true.

[Alejandro]

Originally posted by lumina:

Originally posted by Alejandro:

I watched more pro games than you have known about this game kid, nobody spams skills go sleep.

You aren't old enough for any of that to be true.

Pretty sure youre a kid compared to me.