Is matchmaking terrible or am I just unlucky?

[BorealPaella]

So I recently got back into dota and I started playing ranked after getting back on track with the farming and everything,then I decided to try ranked for the first time and it just isn't working properly in my case.I only seem to get people who absolutely don't even understand how the game works(in one of my games I had a pudge in the offlane who didn't even farm,only tried to hook and had like 1.2k hours in the game,and I had to try and support him but I failed miserably) and even if they do,they are rubbish.They never last hit,the just let the auto attacks do the job,ranged carries don't position themselves decently at least(They almost "hug" Axe everytime he is in the enemy team) and even if we have an opportunity to push,they just farm creeps in the jungle.Meanwhile in the enemy team they all seem to be pretty well coordinated(they still play poorly,but they are more coordinated,which helps a lot,I can't even make my teammate(s) go away from an area so that they won't die) and have supports and everything.If I actually don't play as a support nobody else does(most of the time).
I know that this is me just raging like hell because I only won 1 game from the 8 I have played this far but this is madness.I have only played poorly in one of these games,but I played really well in the other 7.I mean seriously now how doesn't the matchmaking even adjusts and keeps me at about the same level.At least keep dropping the average mmr with every game I lost or anything,but it's just stagnant at about 1.3k during peak hours and like 1.2k when not as many people play it.
I'm really sorry for writing this usual thread,but I'm just incredibly angry,and I wanted to write it down so that I can calm a little,and hopefully get some insight on this problem from some people.I have actually played plenty of League Of Legends and other mobas so I can't really be worthy of teams as terrible as this,when it is obvious that I'm far superior,and even though I don't know what most heroes do,I can position myself pretty well.

[AstralWanderer]

Originalmente postado por Bronco Donco:

Originalmente postado por lumina:

So many come here to complain like this. The thing is, you are just saying all of this same stuff about yourself. You are just as bad as your teammates. Your enemies are just as bad as your teammates. Stop focusing on them, and get better yourself...

http://archive.playdota.com/threads/im-gonna-need-a-3000-3500-account.1398477/

That is what it looks like when a player is playing at the wrong rating. They easily win games themselves.

Yeah because in a game which has a 5v5 format I can solo carry.Sometimes even if I roam a lot and get other lanes fed,they still can't play properly and end up throwing and doing all sorts of stupid stuff.I'm better at the game just from the fact that I actually play as a support(when we don't have 2 supports).The fact that I can farm makes me superior aswell.The fact that I don't misposition(as often) makes me better.The fact that I always buy wards and place them and the fact that I deward aswell makes me better.I could keep on going about this if I'd like.If I could I'd show you the 9th game of the 10 promos I just played,just to prove you wrong(Which I won woo).I actually had a great team this last game,which actually listened and was communicative so that was something different.
Also It's hard to get better on people who are 3 times as worse as you.And I have quite a big amount of experience with mobas,so that is not my main concern.My main concern is the fact that I don't know what most abilities heroes have.

He is right. The moment I start dominating when carrying the players on my team start trolling me..I will win it for them but they stop playing. I am really nice to them. Just I am killing alot and they don't get the kills cause they dont have the farm or damage at that point. For example, i was an am with 8 levels ahead of everyone, the team just engaged and took some damage I went in and got surrounded after dealing heavy damage. I continued to bait, enigma was right there 500 radius away with black hole ready and mana and did nothing?! So I died and the entired enemy team got 3 levels or so. WTF

That was one example, there are many more.. if you start getting too many kills and stay with your team playing well keeping the push going for early game finish.. your own team will sit on the sideline and wait for you die no matter what. You arent feeding or playing foolishly diving behind the tower... they have just made their mind up because they just want a good score.. not to win. I am not trolling them waiting to last hit or steal kills, I just go in as hard and fast as possible. If kill ♥♥♥♥ or not who cares, I can win with 0 kills and 35 assists and 0-5 deaths.. or even 13 deaths.. as long as we win it and play as a team.

[Johnny Killer]

much making is terrible and i dont say it becouse i louse! there are 2 posibilities always my team destroyed badly or the enemy team destroyed! i almost never get a good game with balance in teams if i have wining streak i get a noob team ! if i have lousing streak i get enemy team noobs

[vongogh]

Utterly bad matchmaking, the other team is commending each other at game end though, but the teams I get WOW, like amazing how bad people are. It's so bad that I'm just playing normal games now, I'm learning some new heros now, and I play a lot like those bads, because I just don't know the hero well.

[AstralWanderer]

Originalmente postado por Bronco Donco:

I actually didn't try to go for kills much,as I played support in most of these 9 games so I can't tell if people here really did this whole last hitting thing.

Well once you have played more you will get a feel for the different heroes last hit speeds and what their attack animation cancellation looks like when the player hits the stop key. I have played about 5.6k matches and see these things too much. Trolling/feeding was alot worse back in 2012-2014 due to the same mmr issues we have today. Some times you even match with the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ feeder three times in a row with no way for you to ban them from matching with you again so you can play new people and not the same ones. Reporting them is not enough, and creating a low priority system that even decent frustrated players get stuck in because they have to abandon after hitting a forth match with the same trolling feeder who they cant report because they only get 1 report a month/week.

Originalmente postado por Bronco Donco:

Pseudo support means semi-support right

As in you buy the support items every other time you need to whilst farming the jungle and lanes hard. Roaming/rotating tps always, dropping wards for pick offs and to secure lanes. So you support yourself and the team by always being there and ready. Just you dont stop your own farming in order to prioritise vision etc.

[AstralWanderer]

I will just end with this, once you hit 3k you will see some decent matches. You won't exit the sucky dota2 arm pits till you hit 4.5k. Also it is better to play at time more mature players might be online.

[BorealPaella]

Originalmente postado por Unicron:

I will just end with this, once you hit 3k you will see some decent matches. You won't exit the sucky dota2 arm pits till you hit 4.5k. Also it is better to play at time more mature players might be online.

After I made this thread,somehow my last 2 matches went really well.I won both,but I got the solo mmr of 1297 which is like garbage.Oh well.Papa bless Gaben who blessed me with 2 good teams in a row.

Originalmente postado por Unicron:

Originalmente postado por Bronco Donco:

I actually didn't try to go for kills much,as I played support in most of these 9 games so I can't tell if people here really did this whole last hitting thing.

Well once you have played more you will get a feel for the different heroes last hit speeds and what their attack animation cancellation looks like when the player hits the stop key. I have played about 5.6k matches and see these things too much. Trolling/feeding was alot worse back in 2012-2014 due to the same mmr issues we have today. Some times you even match with the same ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ feeder three times in a row with no way for you to ban them from matching with you again so you can play new people and not the same ones. Reporting them is not enough, and creating a low priority system that even decent frustrated players get stuck in because they have to abandon after hitting a forth match with the same trolling feeder who they cant report because they only get 1 report a month/week.

Originalmente postado por Bronco Donco:

Pseudo support means semi-support right

As in you buy the support items every other time you need to whilst farming the jungle and lanes hard. Roaming/rotating tps always, dropping wards for pick offs and to secure lanes. So you support yourself and the team by always being there and ready. Just you dont stop your own farming in order to prioritise vision etc.

So this means that everytime I am not playing a support,I'm playing a pseudo support.Feels Good.

[HoSsTylE | wild OuTTa CnTrL]

a pudge who goes offlane and instead of last hitting is hiding in trees to land a good hook - SOUNDS TO ME LIKE THAT GUY KNOWS WHAT HE'S DOING UNLIKE YOU!!!!!!!

[lumina]

Originalmente postado por Bronco Donco:

Originalmente postado por lumina:

So many come here to complain like this. The thing is, you are just saying all of this same stuff about yourself. You are just as bad as your teammates. Your enemies are just as bad as your teammates. Stop focusing on them, and get better yourself...

http://archive.playdota.com/threads/im-gonna-need-a-3000-3500-account.1398477/

That is what it looks like when a player is playing at the wrong rating. They easily win games themselves.

Yeah because in a game which has a 5v5 format I can solo carry.Sometimes even if I roam a lot and get other lanes fed,they still can't play properly and end up throwing and doing all sorts of stupid stuff.I'm better at the game just from the fact that I actually play as a support(when we don't have 2 supports).The fact that I can farm makes me superior aswell.The fact that I don't misposition(as often) makes me better.The fact that I always buy wards and place them and the fact that I deward aswell makes me better.I could keep on going about this if I'd like.If I could I'd show you the 9th game of the 10 promos I just played,just to prove you wrong(Which I won woo).I actually had a great team this last game,which actually listened and was communicative so that was something different.
Also It's hard to get better on people who are 3 times as worse as you.And I have quite a big amount of experience with mobas,so that is not my main concern.My main concern is the fact that I don't know what most abilities heroes have.

I just proved it to you with a link that shows a guy with a 100% win rate in 3k lol...

You can try spinning it all you want. You are just as bad as the people you play with. That's why you can't feed off of the other team and snowball, because you are the same skill. Again, the other team has the exact same type of players as your team. Your team can only "hold you back" if you aren't actually better than the people you are playing with.

In other words, you are a typical Dunning Kruger who will never improve because you aren't capable of seeing your MANY mistakes. Instead, you just blame others like a typical little child...

"It cant hallen even though you just showed proof of how easy it is! Hurrrr!" That pretty much says it all...

[lumina]

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/51997689

Here is the pro who is just held back by everyone else lol... So bad...

No one likes the player who actually believes he is better than everyone, especially when it clearly isn't true. 99% of the time, these are the ragey kids in our games.

[BorealPaella]

Originalmente postado por lumina:

Originalmente postado por Bronco Donco:

Yeah because in a game which has a 5v5 format I can solo carry.Sometimes even if I roam a lot and get other lanes fed,they still can't play properly and end up throwing and doing all sorts of stupid stuff.I'm better at the game just from the fact that I actually play as a support(when we don't have 2 supports).The fact that I can farm makes me superior aswell.The fact that I don't misposition(as often) makes me better.The fact that I always buy wards and place them and the fact that I deward aswell makes me better.I could keep on going about this if I'd like.If I could I'd show you the 9th game of the 10 promos I just played,just to prove you wrong(Which I won woo).I actually had a great team this last game,which actually listened and was communicative so that was something different.
Also It's hard to get better on people who are 3 times as worse as you.And I have quite a big amount of experience with mobas,so that is not my main concern.My main concern is the fact that I don't know what most abilities heroes have.

I just proved it to you with a link that shows a guy with a 100% win rate in 3k lol...

You can try spinning it all you want. You are just as bad as the people you play with. That's why you can't feed off of the other team and snowball, because you are the same skill. Again, the other team has the exact same type of players as your team. Your team can only "hold you back" if you aren't actually better than the people you are playing with.

In other words, you are a typical Dunning Kruger who will never improve because you aren't capable of seeing your MANY mistakes. Instead, you just blame others like a typical little child...

You can't have a 100% winrate in 3k unless you are a smurf and you get lucky and only play heroes who can carry games by themselves.Also,check my last game.I got fed as bristleback(killed Slark 2 times before the 5 minute mark,in case this matters) as I got to play something else besides support,proof that your opinion is invalid.Also how do you expect me to get fed as a support?When it comes to supporting the better support is the one who places more wards and rotates better and more often(which represents me).And don't give me this "Your teammates can only hould you back if you aren't actually better than the people you are playing with".This would apply in shooters,but when people can't even itemize properly against a PA for example ♥♥♥♥ goes rancid.I could stop PA from getting into the late game if people would listen to me and push and group when I say so.
Also,as I said before.You can't improve on people who are far worse than you.And I actually improved in every single game I have played.I have to say that I played 140 of the 220 hours I have in dota now where in 2012,when I was terrible and matchmaking still has to adjust to me,as I actually played as badly(if not worse) as my teammates 5 years ago so this might be a reason why after 50 hours teams still are not properly suited for me(Teams are a lot better than when I restarted recently though.)
If you honestly think that teammates can't hold you down,you must have some serious issues.If I could I'd send you my gameplay so that you can see how many things I do compared to the teams I get matched with.

[BorealPaella]

Originalmente postado por lumina:

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/51997689

Here is the pro who is just held back by everyone else lol... So bad...

Most games were played in 2012,when I was terrible.Only look at the recent ones laddie.

[lumina]

Originalmente postado por Bronco Donco:

Originalmente postado por lumina:

https://www.dotabuff.com/players/51997689

Here is the pro who is just held back by everyone else lol... So bad...

Most games were played in 2012,when I was terrible.Only look at the recent ones laddie.

1300 rating and you are still bad in the games. Get over yourself.

[Umbre Online]

Maybe is a luck pick somethins, with some good timefights, this is the game!

[lumina]

Originalmente postado por Bronco Donco:

Originalmente postado por lumina:

I just proved it to you with a link that shows a guy with a 100% win rate in 3k lol...

You can try spinning it all you want. You are just as bad as the people you play with. That's why you can't feed off of the other team and snowball, because you are the same skill. Again, the other team has the exact same type of players as your team. Your team can only "hold you back" if you aren't actually better than the people you are playing with.

In other words, you are a typical Dunning Kruger who will never improve because you aren't capable of seeing your MANY mistakes. Instead, you just blame others like a typical little child...

You can't have a 100% winrate in 3k unless you are a smurf and you get lucky and only play heroes who can carry games by themselves.Also,check my last game.I got fed as bristleback(killed Slark 2 times before the 5 minute mark,in case this matters) as I got to play something else besides support,proof that your opinion is invalid.Also how do you expect me to get fed as a support?When it comes to supporting the better support is the one who places more wards and rotates better and more often(which represents me).And don't give me this "Your teammates can only hould you back if you aren't actually better than the people you are playing with".This would apply in shooters,but when people can't even itemize properly against a PA for example ♥♥♥♥ goes rancid.I could stop PA from getting into the late game if people would listen to me and push and group when I say so.
Also,as I said before.You can't improve on people who are far worse than you.And I actually improved in every single game I have played.I have to say that I played 140 of the 220 hours I have in dota now where in 2012,when I was terrible and matchmaking still has to adjust to me,as I actually played as badly(if not worse) as my teammates 5 years ago so this might be a reason why after 50 hours teams still are not properly suited for me(Teams are a lot better than when I restarted recently though.)
If you honestly think that teammates can't hold you down,you must have some serious issues.If I could I'd send you my gameplay so that you can see how many things I do compared to the teams I get matched with.

About 80% of your recent games aren't even supports. What are you talking about?...

You are not better than the people you play with. I posted proof of that. You ignore it because you are that bad. You can't even see it... Again, typical Dunning Kruger.

[BorealPaella]

Originalmente postado por lumina:

Originalmente postado por Bronco Donco:

Most games were played in 2012,when I was terrible.Only look at the recent ones laddie.

1300 rating and you are still bad in the games. Get over yourself.

You really have some issues.I'm actually the friendliest person you can find in a game,and when I feel like something is off,it really is off.You must have never played at this ranking in order to have a feel for it.And I'm still "bad in the games" even though you haven't actually seen the gameplay.If their team is better and communicates better is obvious that in the end my score is not going to be all that good because I'd die in teamfights.For instance in that sven game I went 4-0 in the laning phase but I couldn't do much in the mid game as nobody grouped up.The single game in which I played poorly was the shadow fiend one,but that's it.Now if you have nothing productive to say just please move on.I'm tired of your non sense.You assume too much without knowing anything.As I said,if there is a way to show you my gameplay,I'd gladly show you it so that you can see that you are wrong.