IO Arcana, Valves greatest F U to the Dota community?

[MovingTargetTez]

As a user who has invested 3.9k hours into Dota (and God knows how much money) I think it is a bit scummy what Valve have done regarding the IO Arcana. I already have Battlepass 254 as I am working towards 1000 like I do every year. But making it a 245 reward is a bit of a joke.
This makes it a £85 Arcana, one which will never be obtainable after TI7.
So this creates alot of issues, does anybody love the hero enough to spend that much on what is basically a portal gun animation and a companion cube? As Arcanas go, this is the laziest attempt I have seen.
Now I expect people to say "Well you'll get X amount of treasures and other things too so you'll get your money back". This is very rarely the case, especially as nothing will be marketable for over a year, Infact a whole other TI will have finished before we can even trade or list the TI7 items..... By that time nobody will have any interest in the standard items as there will no doubt be better sets and items released between that time.
What are your thoughts on how this "Arcana" has been released?
Please don't flame the thread, there will always be different opinions.
Oh and yes I did vote for IO Arcana last year, but didn't vote for this scam version :D

[hrooza]

will you guys wanted an io arcana you got it now even though you did not win the votes

and you would not win the votes because io haters >> io trolls

and most io trolls dont play him/troll with him/ or dont learn him

its so rare to find a IO master

[zZzooey.exe]

Its fine. People complained and cried so much that they spend their precious money on TI when later anyone can buy things you paid a ton for few pennies off of market. Exclusives are cool, and they should always have them. These are all cosmetics and nobody is forcing anyone to obtain them. If a player thinks he NEEDS a certain pixel and rage because he cant get it, then thats a mental issue and nothing to do with valve.

[Terminal Velocity]

From the business point of view, Valve knows a big majority of the votes were trolls. So they have created a cheap-looking Arcana and they are telling the trolls, "ok, you voted for it right? If you are so desperate now you can buy it for a ton of money, let's see if you do".

They have also added it to the compendium, so it's an extra gift for the big spenders. They KNOW an IO Arcana in the store probably will never sell enough.

And they get to never include IO again in the Arcana vote, so they will be immune to the trolling from now on.

It's a win-win for them.

On a personal note, I think I'm going to get it, I voted for IO and I enjoy playing it. Even though I do crap with it, it's a entertaining hero to play. So I *want* this Arcana.

[mikaelvincent]

I'm totally fine with Io having a cosmetic item now (in fact I'm very happy actually), but to see it as an arcana that doesn't even look that good, I consider it as a disgrace. Atleast make it a legendary or something, not an arcana. How can adding some boxes on a hero be considered an arcana? A very lazy attempt if u ask me.

[lumina]

You dont need to spend that much unless you don't plan on touching the bp, which is easy to level in other ways. You only need to buy about half of the levels. These prices that people are naming are just silly. It's like you all don't even know what a bp is...

And for that price, you get like 80 other things, as you claim its only for the arcana...

[KASHIRA HO MENUKI]

Originally posted by lumina:

You dont need to spend that much unless you don't plan on touching the bp, which is easy to level in other ways. You only need to buy about half of fhe levels. These prices that people are naming are just silly. It's like you all don't even know what a bp is...

And for that price, you get like 80 other thkngs, as you claim its only for the arcana...

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[cyberpinoy]

what makes you feel its an £85 set. Just becasue you arent skilled enought to get it without paying for it doesnt mean its not actually possible.

There is the following

30 Levels in Quest paths (with 3 sets)
50 Levels in Acievementa
48 Levels worth of tradable treasures
22 levels from 1.3 Levels per week in Hero Challenge and weekly challenge
23 Levels from 2 Levels in 9 Golden tokens worth 250 BPs each per week
48 Levels from 3 Levels in 6 Golden Tokens worth 500 BPs each per week
23 levels from 2 Levels Per week in Wagering tokens
16 levels per week from 1 more level per week in Wagering tokens after Level 110

For a grand total of 261 levels if you buy the level 1 pass for a whopping 10 bucks £7.69

This also comes with other things as well like the bundles from the quests, the wheel prizes, The Reefs edge terrain, and of course IO Arcana.

SO ACTUALLY you can get the IO arcana Plus a lot more for £7.69

[🏳️‍🌈ruisucepi]

It's ridiculously expensive! But, I am working my way out to get the Arcana for a lower price by leveling up my BP through Tokens/Wages/Quests. I have to spend at least a good amount of $60. Remember when Ti6 BPs were slashed off to 50%? That made my compendium last year to level 226 because of Legion's set. I voted for Juggernaut during the Juggernaut vs IO, just because I wasn't even interested in getting IO arcana. But then again, I wanted to get it because of its awesome effects.

btw: they need to change IO's hero icon by the timer because it's ugly lol. They just added the heart and square shape there lol.

It's a good arcana. Trolls are hating it, but hey Valve has IO's Arcana now! Some people like it, some people hate it. Some people are just ungrateful that they are playing DotA 2 for FREE, and they're complaining for the cosmetics, yet Valve isn't mandating ANYONE to buy one!

[MovingTargetTez]

Originally posted by lumina:

You dont need to spend that much unless you don't plan on touching the bp, which is easy to level in other ways. You only need to buy about half of the levels. These prices that people are naming are just silly. It's like you all don't even know what a bp is...

And for that price, you get like 80 other things, as you claim its only for the arcana...

The max you can get with doing BP alone (assuming you get every quest line and prediction) is 180 level, but that is also based on opening 12 of each treasure which won't be possible until you reach level 375 which is kind of defeating the object of max levels lol. That does not include the upcoming event, but personally I can see that being like Dark Moon and not really contributing much to the BP. So You'd have to spend some momey on levels still.
As I mentioned there is no point saying "you get this amount of items etc" as they will not be able to contribute towards the IO item (not sure if I should continue to call it an Arcana -_-)

[lumina]

Originally posted by MovingTargetTez:

Originally posted by lumina:

You dont need to spend that much unless you don't plan on touching the bp, which is easy to level in other ways. You only need to buy about half of the levels. These prices that people are naming are just silly. It's like you all don't even know what a bp is...

And for that price, you get like 80 other things, as you claim its only for the arcana...

The max you can get with doing BP alone (assuming you get every quest line and prediction) is 180 level, but that is also based on opening 12 of each treasure which won't be possible until you reach level 375 which is kind of defeating the object of max levels lol. That does not include the upcoming event, but personally I can see that being like Dark Moon and not really contributing much to the BP. So You'd have to spend some momey on levels still.
As I mentioned there is no point saying "you get this amount of items etc" as they will not be able to contribute towards the IO item (not sure if I should continue to call it an Arcana -_-)

None of which is true. Someone just broke it down for you. I just stated that you need to buy half the levels, which means you only then need about half of what you can possibly get through the bp. That guy didn't even include the later events, like the campaign, predictions on the tournys, and fantasy challenge.

Also, my bp is 308 and I already have the 12 treasures achievement, which also means you get more levels from duplicates out of treasures. I also almost forgot that slark thing that gives free levels every week.

I have no clue what you are trying to say with the "contribute towards io arcana". You get a crap ton of stuff. You can't just pretend that you are getting one thing for that price. How can that possibly make sense to you?

[MovingTargetTez]

Originally posted by lumina:

Originally posted by MovingTargetTez:

The max you can get with doing BP alone (assuming you get every quest line and prediction) is 180 level, but that is also based on opening 12 of each treasure which won't be possible until you reach level 375 which is kind of defeating the object of max levels lol. That does not include the upcoming event, but personally I can see that being like Dark Moon and not really contributing much to the BP. So You'd have to spend some momey on levels still.
As I mentioned there is no point saying "you get this amount of items etc" as they will not be able to contribute towards the IO item (not sure if I should continue to call it an Arcana -_-)

None of which is true. Someone just broke it down for you. I just stated that you need to buy half the levels, which means you only then need about half of what you can possibly get through the bp. That guy didn't even include the later events, like the campaign, predictions on the tournys, and fantasy challenge.

Also, my bp is 308 and I already have the 12 treasures achievement, which also means you get more levels from duplicates out of treasures.

Yes that person broke it down on achievements, which include the 12 of each treasure lol I made the mistake of thinking all tier 3 were 400 points amd not 800. In that scenario that means you have to never mess up, ever....
You have the 12 treasure achievement for treasure 1 yes, but not 2 + 3. Anyway I am not here to discuss the grind of battlepass to obtain levels, I am saying that it is unfair for people who wanted the IO Arcana and now have to buy a battlepass and get it to 245.

[Fistraiser]

Not to mention that your weekly token bonus amount gets increased further into the battle pass.
Also trading an Immortal will gain you an extra 2 levels.If people truly only want the arcana for as cheap as possible then suerly they´ll just trade the immortals for levels right?

[lumina]

Originally posted by MovingTargetTez:

Originally posted by lumina:

None of which is true. Someone just broke it down for you. I just stated that you need to buy half the levels, which means you only then need about half of what you can possibly get through the bp. That guy didn't even include the later events, like the campaign, predictions on the tournys, and fantasy challenge.

Also, my bp is 308 and I already have the 12 treasures achievement, which also means you get more levels from duplicates out of treasures.

Yes that person broke it down on achievements, which include the 12 of each treasure lol I made the mistake of thinking all tier 3 were 400 points amd not 800. In that scenario that means you have to never mess up, ever....
You have the 12 treasure achievement for treasure 1 yes, but not 2 + 3. Anyway I am not here to discuss the grind of battlepass to obtain levels, I am saying that it is unfair for people who wanted the IO Arcana and now have to buy a battlepass and get it to 245.

"Unfair" that a free game gives you like 90 things + stuff to do for around $50, and that's if you dont want to grind much. How terrible of them!

[Xaelath]

On the same side i agree.
Arcana was always been paid in store, it never been given away like that,
Worst this time its not marketable and exclusive to TI7 for level 245.

First of all let me say this.
This TI7 Compedium is a crap other than Good Soundtrack and new featers that called Wheels nothing else i found worth i still prefer paying 15 bucks compedium.
- Rylai Spin 2 Win is lesser compared last year compedium
- Quest path is the same, nothing else worth here. I played both of 3 heroes , none of the 3 i found unique
- Tokens is a crap method to gain level
- Double down and Wager is pretty much nothing
- No more background packs, no more taunt packs. They require levels to be obtained.
- Ever since 2014/2015 ( i cant remember) the first collector cache introduce alot of extras and well refined set. After that the quality is reducing and theres no more extras (icon,mouse track,etc).

What the ♥♥♥♥.

Personally i found its a deal if they agree to make it sellable in store for cheaper price.

[vongogh]

If you are spending that much to get to level 1000, how in SumaiLs name do you expect to recoup that money from trading items from battlepass?

A reddit post said this was originally an Immortal item. Anyway, I think they did it this way to kill the vote for IO arcana meme. Whatever, lets move on, this is not worth losing sleep over. But people who obsess over collecting rare items.. yeah well, buy battlepass, work your way up by doing quests and stuff, and pay hoever much to reach level 245, still a few months until BP expires.